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bbud656
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 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject: Smalls schools exempt from pension? |
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| I read somewhere on here that if there are less than 5 employees at the school than the employer doesn't have to pay into your pension. Is this true? Is it a bad deal to work for a small school then? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Smalls schools exempt from pension? |
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| bbud656 wrote: |
| I read somewhere on here that if there are less than 5 employees at the school than the employer doesn't have to pay into your pension. Is this true? Is it a bad deal to work for a small school then? |
http://www.nps.or.kr/
Click the link for the English pages and confirm for yourself.
Same is true for some of the protections offered by the labor standards act. There are exemptions for those employers with fewer than 5 full time employees.
http://www.molab.go.kr/
Same story with NHIC (national health insurance):
http://www.nhic.or.kr/
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| So why would anyone work for small schools then? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| bbud656 wrote: |
| So why would anyone work for small schools then? |
Newbies - they don't know any better until after they are well and truly screwed.
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wesharris
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes those with experience also get screwed.
I've heard more than one horror story. |
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bbud656
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| So just to be clear and correct me if I am wrong. If you work for a school with less than 5 non family members you make 8% less then everyone else because you don't get a pension. You pay your medical bills 100% our of pocket. And even if you had these things promised in your contract it doesn't matter because labor laws don't apply. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| bbud656 wrote: |
| So just to be clear and correct me if I am wrong. If you work for a school with less than 5 non family members you make 8% less then everyone else because you don't get a pension. You pay your medical bills 100% our of pocket. And even if you had these things promised in your contract it doesn't matter because labor laws don't apply. |
Not at all.
If you work for any school, you should get a contract. Your contract should have the National Health Insurance, Pension, Tax according to NTS site (NOT a percentage) included in it. (Obviously, other things as well ...)
If your school includes these things in your original contract, it is a good sign that your school intends to pay them. If they are in your contract, then they have the force of contract law and the labor office will assist you. If they are not in your contract then they may try not to pay them - no matter what the school size is.
If you think you will get these benefits "because it's the law" then you are in for a rude awakening. Why sign up for trouble. The school may reluctantly agree to add them to your contract if you negotiate, but they already showed their true colors and they might try to weasel out later anyway.
If pension, health insurance, proper tax amounts, vacation etc are not spelled out in your original contract - move on. |
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bbud656
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| I haven't signed a contract yet. I am still looking at schools and some have been small (less than 5 teachers). So as long as it is in the contract then the labor board would take the case? Just making sure they are not exempt from everything. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| bbud656 wrote: |
| I haven't signed a contract yet. I am still looking at schools and some have been small (less than 5 teachers). So as long as it is in the contract then the labor board would take the case? Just making sure they are not exempt from everything. |
Better to not get into that situation.
This is not the west. In this particular set of circumstances there is a lot of gray and most FTs don't have the ability to deal effectively with a tribunal held in Korean (they don't provide translators or English service) and even when the FT does win, they have no way to "collect" for any number of reasons.
Another point is that for medical and pension, they are NOT under the jurisdiction of "labor" so the labor board won't help with them. You have to file separate claims with each of them and fight to the end.
You may also have to fight the "contractor vs employee" battle as well before you ever get anything done.
Most just pull a runner when they are ready and have some coin in the bank to get them through.
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bbud656
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| That is unfortunate. I really liked the school I was looking at so far. I am hoping someone weighs in on the other side. It is a big risk to be in that position though. |
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