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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:31 am Post subject: Is nationality or ethnicity important in a job? |
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Job Requirements
- Should speak fluent English and Korean.
- Should deal with OA software, such as MS office and Hangul
- Candidates with experience in secretarial / administrative works are preferred.
- B/A, B/S or higher degrees are required.
- Korean-American or Korean
Would this be okay in Australia, Canada, England, New Zealand, or the United States?
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buddy bradley

Joined: 24 Aug 2003 Location: The Beyond
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Well, it wouldn't be okay in South Africa. Affirmative action ensures that Koreans will not be hired so long as there is a black person applying for the job. |
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shawner88

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:38 am Post subject: |
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Hasn't been a problem for me. |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Is nationality important in a job? |
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Real Reality wrote: |
Job Requirements
- Should speak fluent English and Korean.
- Should deal with OA software, such as MS office and Hangul
- Candidates with experience in secretarial / administrative works are preferred.
- B/A, B/S or higher degrees are required.
- Korean-American or Korean
Would this be okay in Australia, Canada, England, New Zealand, or the United States? |
It would be fine in Canada if it was part of a theme. Example: Let's say I wanted to run a store selling nothing but stuff from Japan. I could, legally, restrict every front-counter person to being a young Japanese heritage girl as part of a theme. That's legal. However, I couldn't easily toss the accountant or janitor into that theme, so restricting hiring for these positions would cross the magic line.
Though in this case, I suspect it's probably due to visa restrictions coming into play. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Location: North Shore NZ
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Would this be okay in Australia, Canada, England, New Zealand, or the United States? |
In case you haven't noticed RR your not in one of the above stated countries so your question is moot. Also, if your from one of the stated countries you should already know the answer, so why ask it.
That's like saying in some Middle Eastern countries thieves get their hands cut off if they are caught. Would this be okay in your home country? |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Is nationality important in a job? |
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Gord wrote: |
Real Reality wrote: |
Job Requirements
- Should speak fluent English and Korean.
- Should deal with OA software, such as MS office and Hangul
- Candidates with experience in secretarial / administrative works are preferred.
- B/A, B/S or higher degrees are required.
- Korean-American or Korean
Would this be okay in Australia, Canada, England, New Zealand, or the United States? |
It would be fine in Canada if it was part of a theme. Example: Let's say I wanted to run a store selling nothing but stuff from Japan. I could, legally, restrict every front-counter person to being a young Japanese heritage girl as part of a theme. That's legal. However, I couldn't easily toss the accountant or janitor into that theme, so restricting hiring for these positions would cross the magic line.
Though in this case, I suspect it's probably due to visa restrictions coming into play. |
I wish this were true in America. For once, Canada got it right. |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well I see plenty of ads that only want North Americans or only females and I'm sure that if I sent out identical sets of resumes with a white guy photo attached to one stack and a black guy photo attached to another stack I'd get VASTLY more responces from the stack with the white guy photo. The job market here is pretty seeped in racism. |
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sadsac
Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Gwangwang
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:50 am Post subject: |
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In Australia you would apply for an exemption under the EEO legislation and if your reasoning was sound, you would be granted an exemption. Unless you can quote it, it is unlikely that any paper or employment service would run that ad.  |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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They should have skipped the Korean-American or Korean only line.
I mean you could definitly get rid of 99.9% percent of the white/black/other (horrible people not korean) folk with the first line.
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Should speak fluent English and Korean. |
If you got a wayguk who spoke perfect fluent korean and english. They should be able to get the job. Heck I would snap them right up.
But Koreans are very ethnocentric.
Skippy the Evil Twin
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kangnamdragon

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Is nationality important in a job? |
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Real Reality wrote: |
Job Requirements
- Should speak fluent English and Korean.
- Should deal with OA software, such as MS office and Hangul
- Candidates with experience in secretarial / administrative works are preferred.
- B/A, B/S or higher degrees are required.
- Korean-American or Korean
Would this be okay in Australia, Canada, England, New Zealand, or the United States? |
It does not sound like they are restricting against white nonKoreans. It sounds as if they are emphasising that Korean Americans may apply. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:36 am Post subject: Re: Is nationality important in a job? |
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Real Reality wrote: |
Job Requirements
- Should speak fluent English and Korean.
- Should deal with OA software, such as MS office and Hangul
- Candidates with experience in secretarial / administrative works are preferred.
- B/A, B/S or higher degrees are required.
- Korean-American or Korean
Would this be okay in Australia, Canada, England, New Zealand, or the United States? |
As usual Real Reality, in your haste to post negative info about Korea, you didn't read the post too clearly. The job description clearly states "should speak fluent English AND KOREAN". "Also Korean-American or Korean" In other words they want an ethnic Korean who is fluent in his native language as well as English. As for the "American" part, like Mr. Gord stated it may have something to do with that particular visa situation. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:33 am Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth,
This is a large, world-class Korean university (24,045 students and 980 full time faculty). So, do large, world-class universities from Australia, Canada, England, New Zealand, or the United States seek employees based upon ethnicity AND visa requirements?
REPUBLIC OF KOREA PRESENTS REPORTS TO Committee Elimination of Racial Discrimination
Introducing the reports of the Republic of Korea, Eui-yong Chung, Ambassador and Permanent Representative of the Republic of Korea to the United Nations Office at Geneva and Head of the delegation, said there had been significant improvements in the field of human rights in the Republic of Korea over the past several years. Respect for human rights was a cornerstone of domestic as well as foreign policies, and the Government had gone about implementing various reform measures to this end. There could be no place for the mistreatment or prejudice of persons according to race, colour, descent or ethnic origin in this world. However, such prejudice still persisted in many forms, and the struggle to eradicate discrimination needed to be continued as a high priority with a steadfast commitment by the Government and people of Korea.
Comite pour l'elimination
de la discrimination raciale
63eme session
11 aout 2003
http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/0/69E0E3E3730CE258C1256D7F00514FCA?opendocument
International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
- International Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination - CERD
Ratified: 5 December 1978.
- Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination - CEDAW
Ratified: 27 December 1984.
http://www.right-to-education.org/content/rights_and_remedies/korea_s.html
The term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
States Parties condemn racial discrimination and undertake to pursue by all appropriate means and without delay a policy of eliminating racial discrimination in all its forms and promoting understanding among all races, and, to this end:
(a) Each State Party undertakes to engage in no act or practice of racial discrimination against persons, groups of persons or institutions and to ensure that all public authorities and public institutions, national and local, shall act in conformity with this obligation.
http://www.hri.ca/uninfo/treaties/10.shtml |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Real Reality wrote: |
TheUrbanMyth,
This is a large, world-class Korean university (24,045 students and 980 full time faculty). So, do large, world-class universities from Australia, Canada, England, New Zealand, or the United States seek employees based upon ethnicity AND visa requirements?
REPUBLIC OF KOREA PRESENTS REPORTS TO Committee Elimination of Racial Discrimination
Introducing the reports of the Republic of Korea, Eui-yong Chung, Ambassador and Permanent Representative of the Republic of Korea to the United Nations Office at Geneva and Head of the delegation, said there had been significant improvements in the field of human rights in the Republic of Korea over the past several years. Respect for human rights was a cornerstone of domestic as well as foreign policies, and the Government had gone about implementing various reform measures to this end. There could be no place for the mistreatment or prejudice of persons according to race, colour, descent or ethnic origin in this world. However, such prejudice still persisted in many forms, and the struggle to eradicate discrimination needed to be continued as a high priority with a steadfast commitment by the Government and people of Korea.
Comite pour l'elimination
de la discrimination raciale
63eme session
11 aout 2003
http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/0/69E0E3E3730CE258C1256D7F00514FCA?opendocument
International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
- International Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination - CERD
Ratified: 5 December 1978.
- Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination - CEDAW
Ratified: 27 December 1984.
http://www.right-to-education.org/content/rights_and_remedies/korea_s.html
The term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
States Parties condemn racial discrimination and undertake to pursue by all appropriate means and without delay a policy of eliminating racial discrimination in all its forms and promoting understanding among all races, and, to this end:
(a) Each State Party undertakes to engage in no act or practice of racial discrimination against persons, groups of persons or institutions and to ensure that all public authorities and public institutions, national and local, shall act in conformity with this obligation.
http://www.hri.ca/uninfo/treaties/10.shtml |
Mr. Real Reality. THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO IS FLUENT IN KOREAN! It is no suprise that they would want a KOREAN. Also they probably want someone who is comfortable in this culture. Yes people from other countries are fluent in Korean, but how many can fulfill all the other requirements? A Korean would be the easiest choice. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Korean-American or Korean need only apply.
What about a Korean-Australian who is fluent in Korean and English?
What about a Korean-Canadian who is fluent in Korean and English?
What about a Korean-Chinese who is fluent in English, Chinese, and Korean?
There could be no place for the mistreatment or prejudice of persons according to race, colour, descent or ethnic origin in this world. |
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phaedrus

Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Real Reality wrote: |
Korean-American or Korean need only apply.
What about a Korean-Australian who is fluent in Korean and English?
What about a Korean-Canadian who is fluent in Korean and English?
What about a Korean-Chinese who is fluent in English, Chinese, and Korean?
There could be no place for the mistreatment or prejudice of persons according to race, colour, descent or ethnic origin in this world. |
Unfortunately even in the West companies hire who they want.
"We interviewed every nationality in the world, but we hired this white guy who is the nephew of my friend."
Companies with the proper mix just look stupid. "We only hired the blacks because of a law or for public relations". That's the way it looks. The world is corrupt. Corrupt I say. |
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