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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:11 am Post subject: Where is all this so called love for korea???? |
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I see and hear everyday...the so called love and patroitism from koreans....and yet....these guys don't want to serve THEIR country!?!?!
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20100628000673
Sort of being two faced! They want to represent korea but..... |
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lukas
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| what does a team of footballers have to do with the patriotism of an entire nation? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| lukas wrote: |
| what does a team of footballers have to do with the patriotism of an entire nation? |
I guess you're not familar with Dave's?
When a foreigner does something bad...it's an isolated case.
But when a Korean does something bad, it's an indictment of the entire nation (men, women and children) and covers all their ancestors and descendants to the end of time. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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They have a point in that a soccer career doesn't last very long, and these years are the top of their ability. I would understand if they wish to defer their military service until their 30s. But getting out of it entirely does seem like a dodge.
We're all human beings, and it's natural to want everyone to be patriotic while seeking an exemption for yourself. We all think other people should eat right and jog more. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
We're all human beings, and it's natural to want everyone to be patriotic while seeking an exemption for yourself. |
And I'd proudly staaaaaand UP, next to you and defend her (well, okay not me, but my neighbor's kid) still todaaaaaaay. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
I guess you're not familar with Korean internet forums?
When a Korean does something bad...it's quickly forgotten about.
But when a foreigner does something bad, it's an indictment of the entire nation (men, women and children) and covers all their ancestors and descendants to the end of time. |
Fixed. It works both ways. The internet is a breeding ground for ill-formed ideas and opinions masquerading as fact. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Military drafts are absurd anyway. Plenty of men would still enlist in the reserves, and the people that actually wanted to, would volunteer for the military and become career soldiers. You would have slightly less soldiers total, but the ones you did have would be more dedicated and enthusiastic about the whole thing. Plus, it wouldn't burden the economy by taking out the most productive members during the formative stages of their careers. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
I guess you're not familar with Korean internet forums?
When a Korean does something bad...it's quickly forgotten about.
But when a foreigner does something bad, it's an indictment of the entire nation (men, women and children) and covers all their ancestors and descendants to the end of time. |
Fixed. It works both ways. The internet is a breeding ground for ill-formed ideas and opinions masquerading as fact. |
Except the OP didn't make his post on a Korean internet forum.
He made it on Dave's.
Therefore I award you 2 points for sarcasm and the remark about Korean internet forums, but have to deduct 2 points for inaccuracy of aim and choice of target. We were talking about a post on Dave's after all not Korean internet forums. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Military drafts are absurd anyway. Plenty of men would still enlist in the reserves, and the people that actually wanted to, would volunteer for the military and become career soldiers. You would have slightly less soldiers total, but the ones you did have would be more dedicated and enthusiastic about the whole thing. |
I not too sure about that. Not sure about other countries, but if Canada had a draft, they'd definitely have a much larger army compared to the current all volunteer army now. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Senior wrote: |
| Military drafts are absurd anyway. Plenty of men would still enlist in the reserves, and the people that actually wanted to, would volunteer for the military and become career soldiers. You would have slightly less soldiers total, but the ones you did have would be more dedicated and enthusiastic about the whole thing. Plus, it wouldn't burden the economy by taking out the most productive members during the formative stages of their careers. |
Well when you live next to a country that could attack at any moment and makes repeated provocations such as nuclear tests and the sinking of one of your warships, you want as many trained soldiers as possible. And those are just the most recent ones in a long list of said provocations. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
I guess you're not familar with Korean internet forums?
When a Korean does something bad...it's quickly forgotten about.
But when a foreigner does something bad, it's an indictment of the entire nation (men, women and children) and covers all their ancestors and descendants to the end of time. |
Fixed. It works both ways. The internet is a breeding ground for ill-formed ideas and opinions masquerading as fact. |
Except the OP didn't make his post on a Korean internet forum.
He made it on Dave's.
Therefore I award you 2 points for sarcasm and the remark about Korean internet forums, but have to deduct 2 points for inaccuracy of aim and choice of target. We were talking about a post on Dave's after all not Korean internet forums. |
It sounded like you were having a dig at foreigners for talking rubbish about Koreans, which is true. I was just trying to balance the argument a bit. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
I guess you're not familar with Korean internet forums?
When a Korean does something bad...it's quickly forgotten about.
But when a foreigner does something bad, it's an indictment of the entire nation (men, women and children) and covers all their ancestors and descendants to the end of time. |
Fixed. It works both ways. The internet is a breeding ground for ill-formed ideas and opinions masquerading as fact. |
Nice one........although urbanmyth lost the skill of critical thinking a long time ago so there's no point reminding him that it works both ways. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Senior wrote: |
| Military drafts are absurd anyway. Plenty of men would still enlist in the reserves, and the people that actually wanted to, would volunteer for the military and become career soldiers. You would have slightly less soldiers total, but the ones you did have would be more dedicated and enthusiastic about the whole thing. |
I not too sure about that. Not sure about other countries, but if Canada had a draft, they'd definitely have a much larger army compared to the current all volunteer army now. |
Of course you would have a bigger army with conscription. I mentioned that in the post. Bigger isn't always better. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
| Military drafts are absurd anyway. Plenty of men would still enlist in the reserves, and the people that actually wanted to, would volunteer for the military and become career soldiers. You would have slightly less soldiers total, but the ones you did have would be more dedicated and enthusiastic about the whole thing. Plus, it wouldn't burden the economy by taking out the most productive members during the formative stages of their careers. |
Well when you live next to a country that could attack at any moment and makes repeated provocations such as nuclear tests and the sinking of one of your warships, you want as many trained soldiers as possible. And those are just the most recent ones in a long list of said provocations. |
The conscripted troops would probably be the last to be used. Considering that, rather than Korea War II, it will be "NK starts some shit, then gets bombed into the stone age", it isn't that likely those troops would be used anyway.
The actual fighting force would be exactly the same (the current sizable professional Army), just that the conscripted troops would be replaced with reservists. So you would have a slightly smaller, but many times more motivated (not that they would need that much motivation if NK attacked), military. The majority of men would still sign up for the reserves anyway (imo). It just means the dudes who aren't cut out for it/mormon don't have to come up with lame brained excuses to get out of it.
Slightly off topic, but freedom and liberty (which conscription expressly destroys for a set period of time) is worth more than the risk of attack. People understand that an invasion by NK would destroy their liberty so they are likely to sign up for the reserve (or regular Army) for this reason alone. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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[quote="Senior"]
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
| Military drafts are absurd anyway. Plenty of men would still enlist in the reserves, and the people that actually wanted to, would volunteer for the military and become career soldiers. You would have slightly less soldiers total, but the ones you did have would be more dedicated and enthusiastic about the whole thing. Plus, it wouldn't burden the economy by taking out the most productive members during the formative stages of their careers. |
Well when you live next to a country that could attack at any moment and makes repeated provocations such as nuclear tests and the sinking of one of your warships, you want as many trained soldiers as possible. And those are just the most recent ones in a long list of said provocations. |
It's all about appearance Seenykins, appearance. The elevated numbers of troops due to conscription looks good on paper, makes people feel safer in the face of an opponent who sometimes look like he could do anything at anytime.
All the rest of this theorising probably doesn't even appear on the radar. |
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