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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject: What's your college degree worth? |
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The value of a college degree is a middle-class article of faith. But exclusive new research suggests it may be far less than previously thought.
If there's one truism that goes virtually unchallenged these days, it's that a college degree has great value. Beyond the great books, beyond the critical reasoning skills, and beyond the experience itself, there's another way that a college degree has value: Over the course of a working life, college graduates earn more than high school graduates. Over the past decade, research estimates have pegged that figure at $900,000, $1.2 million, and $1.6 million.
But new research suggests that the monetary value of a college degree may be vastly overblown. According to a study conducted by PayScale for Bloomberg Businessweek, the value of a college degree may be a lot closer to $400,000 over 30 years and varies wildly from school to school. According to the PayScale study, the number of schools that actually make good on the estimates of the earlier research is vanishingly small. There are only 17 schools in the study whose graduates can expect to recoup the cost of their education and out-earn a high school graduate by $1.2 million, including four where they can do so to the tune of $1.6 million. At more than 500 other schools, the return on investment, or ROI, is less�sometimes far less. College, says Al Lee, director of quantitative analysis at PayScale, "is not the million-dollar slam dunk people talk about."
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A college degree has become mundane and ordinary," Vedder said. "We used to send kids to college to become lawyers and doctors. Now we send them to college to work at Walmart."
A. Jordan, who graduated with a degree in political science from the University of North Carolina in Wilmington in 2008, knows about the devaluing of the college degree all too well.
As a stewardess in the private yachting industry with nothing but a high school diploma, she says she earned triple what she's making now in her administrative support job in Winston-Salem. She's making so little money with a college degree, she's considering returning to school for her master's. "Philosophy, political science, and other degrees of that nature are not giving you concrete skills," Jordan wrote in an e-mail. She declined to use her full name, citing possible career repercussions.
The rest of the article is at:
http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/109946/college-big-investment-paltry-return?mod=edu-continuing_education |
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DeMayonnaise
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: What's your college degree worth? |
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madoka wrote: |
The value of a college degree is a middle-class article of faith. But exclusive new research suggests it may be far less than previously thought.
If there's one truism that goes virtually unchallenged these days, it's that a college degree has great value. Beyond the great books, beyond the critical reasoning skills, and beyond the experience itself, there's another way that a college degree has value: Over the course of a working life, college graduates earn more than high school graduates. Over the past decade, research estimates have pegged that figure at $900,000, $1.2 million, and $1.6 million.
But new research suggests that the monetary value of a college degree may be vastly overblown. According to a study conducted by PayScale for Bloomberg Businessweek, the value of a college degree may be a lot closer to $400,000 over 30 years and varies wildly from school to school. According to the PayScale study, the number of schools that actually make good on the estimates of the earlier research is vanishingly small. There are only 17 schools in the study whose graduates can expect to recoup the cost of their education and out-earn a high school graduate by $1.2 million, including four where they can do so to the tune of $1.6 million. At more than 500 other schools, the return on investment, or ROI, is less�sometimes far less. College, says Al Lee, director of quantitative analysis at PayScale, "is not the million-dollar slam dunk people talk about."
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A college degree has become mundane and ordinary," Vedder said. "We used to send kids to college to become lawyers and doctors. Now we send them to college to work at Walmart."
A. Jordan, who graduated with a degree in political science from the University of North Carolina in Wilmington in 2008, knows about the devaluing of the college degree all too well.
As a stewardess in the private yachting industry with nothing but a high school diploma, she says she earned triple what she's making now in her administrative support job in Winston-Salem. She's making so little money with a college degree, she's considering returning to school for her master's. "Philosophy, political science, and other degrees of that nature are not giving you concrete skills," Jordan wrote in an e-mail. She declined to use her full name, citing possible career repercussions.
The rest of the article is at:
http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/109946/college-big-investment-paltry-return?mod=edu-continuing_education |
What career? She has a Poli Sci degree...
Yeah, my degree isn't worth much. I'm lazy though. And did a lot of other things in college besides study (not all of it partying). Maybe some day I'll grow up, but I have a pretty sweet gig in Korea...probably better than my friends back home who have "real" degrees, so why bother.
I almost pity the people who start their careers as soon as they get out of college. Congratulations! Your life is over. |
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chellovek

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Money shmoney.
I'd do it all again. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: What's your college degree worth? |
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DeMayonnaise wrote: |
What career? She has a Poli Sci degree...
Yeah, my degree isn't worth much. I'm lazy though. And did a lot of other things in college besides study (not all of it partying). Maybe some day I'll grow up, but I have a pretty sweet gig in Korea...probably better than my friends back home who have "real" degrees, so why bother.
I almost pity the people who start their careers as soon as they get out of college. Congratulations! Your life is over. |
So true.
"Some people die at age 25, but aren't buried till they're 75."
So many guys who I thought were total bad asses at school just work hum drum jobs these days. Some of them have wives with kids on the way, or already have a couple of kids.
Three of my for best mates did commerce degrees and now they have "steady" jobs in accounting offices. They probably only make the same as me after tax. I did a BA in Econ which only slightly less worthless than a Poli Sci degree (I did a minor in poli sci ). |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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chellovek wrote: |
Money shmoney.
I'd do it all again. |
I would totally do it again. My net worth is back to zero after two years in Korea. And I could pay down the balance of my loan, tomorrow, if I felt like it.
University was like a four year holiday, really. Even though I went to class 3/4 times, I still felt like I learned something. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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When I first started at university, I wanted to study Architecture. Dropping out, joing the military, traveling and living overseas, and graduating from Defense Language Institute all contributed to my decision to return to university and get my AB in Linguistics. I'd do it all over again without hesitation. It's been six years since I graduated and I still am fascinated by every aspect of Linguistics. I'm much luckier than so many of my university friends who hated their major and hate their jobs now. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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No news to me. No one who studies philosophy does it for the money. It's not a job, it's a lifestyle. |
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DorkothyParker

Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Location: Jeju
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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$40,000. At least that's what I PAID for mine. Why? Suppose I could have found it discounted elsewhere?  |
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sallymonster

Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Location: Seattle area
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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My degree in history is so useless that when I'm done in Korea I will likely go back to school for something else.
My degree did get me into Korea, though!  |
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recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010 Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:02 am Post subject: |
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This isn't exactly news anymore, as there are tons of articles, documentaries, blogs calling college a waste of money. I'm sure you got more out of a degree if you had it a decade ago but it's value is quickly dropping. It's so abundant that it's becoming like air and water, everyone is entitled to a college degree now as long as they promise to pay for the cost of it one day. |
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DorkothyParker

Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Location: Jeju
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Also my University is ranked 3rd in my state. That might sound okay, but I think there are only three universities (not colleges) in Idaho.
I am so lame. Maybe I can get by on my good looks and charm. |
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DeMayonnaise
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:50 am Post subject: |
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DorkothyParker wrote: |
Also my University is ranked 3rd in my state. That might sound okay, but I think there are only three universities (not colleges) in Idaho.
I am so lame. Maybe I can get by on my good looks and charm. |
Haha. 3rd university in Idaho..that's pretty funny. My school was ranked 9th year...among all US public schools. Go Badgers! My degree isn't worth much though. |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:58 am Post subject: |
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I've never done any work other than teaching, so have no idea what I'd do and how much I'd make without my degree(s). |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:59 am Post subject: |
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DeMayonnaise wrote: |
DorkothyParker wrote: |
Also my University is ranked 3rd in my state. That might sound okay, but I think there are only three universities (not colleges) in Idaho.
I am so lame. Maybe I can get by on my good looks and charm. |
Haha. 3rd university in Idaho..that's pretty funny. My school was ranked 9th year...among all US public schools. Go Badgers! My degree isn't worth much though. |
Hey, I'm a UW Madison alumni too. I didn't realize it was so highly ranked among public schools. Nice to see. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Anyone who says a Bachelor's degree means nothing are the same people who wouldn't be caught dead omitting that they graduated from college on a job application. |
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