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[bacasper]

Could this be why?

Officially FUBAR!

By: Jon
June 23, 2010

Cindy Sheehan
6/23/2010

�If Americans pulled back and started paying attention to this war, it would become even less popular,� a senior adviser to head of NATO ops in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal (via Rolling Stone)

FUBAR: Military slang for: Fu#ked Up Beyond All/Any Repair/Recognition. FUBAR also has a close military acronym: SNAFU: Situation Normal All Fu#ked Up.

FUBAR and SNAFU can be traced back to WWII-you know that war. That�s the war (the last constitutionally declared by Congress) that, along with the US Civil War, is the war that is held up as the shining example of the goodness, nay GREATNESS of the United States of America. The war where we freed the entire planet of fascism, Nazi-ism, imperialism and made the world safe for FREEDOM (and freedom�s Siamese Twin: DEMOCRACY)!

So, if the people who were actually in the trenches were recognizing the war, even the GREAT ONE was FUBAR-then we have only gone rapidly downhill from there. Even Marine Major General Smedley Butler (War is a Racket) pointed out that the �War to end all Wars� (WWI) just led to WWII and after he passed away in 1940: Korea, Vietnam, the Balkans, the First Gulf War and now our stains in the Middle East. As a matter of fact, since WWII, we have NEVER been at peace.

The SNAFU over the Rolling Stone article where Stanley is openly and disrespectfully critical of Obama, Biden, Ambassador Eikenberry and others is indicative of a few things to me:

First of all, there is a little known aspect of this developing story: McChrystal was given final approval over the version of the story that appeared in the Rolling Stone-a person that achieves the elevated status in the elite world of McChrystal�s rarely rises to the top without knowing the rules and without knowing how to play the game. And trust me, this is a �game.� Does anyone believe that this story was a surprise to anyone in the Obama regime, or to McChrystal? No, obviously it wasn�t-so why now?

Secondly-with a cataclysm off of our very shores that is further proof that our Military-Corporate Complex is not equipped to handle catastrophes-this SNAFU proves that the Military-Corporate Complex is not even equipped to handle wars. The Empire is crumbling, and it�s crumbling even faster than I would imagine than I predicted-so I have to celebrate the news that just demonstrates how FUBAR things are in Afghanistan. Of course, the stats of civilian deaths (yeah, right-we are protecting civilians) and NATO and US troop deaths are there. There can be no disputing facts. No matter how much one wants to think that Obama is �better than Bush� or is �better than McCain� really has to look no farther than these hard-core facts.

All of this posturing and speechifying is nothing but a distraction from the fact that our economy is FUBAR, the Gulf of Mexico is FUBAR, the wars are FUBAR and Wikileaks is set to come out soon with another video of a bombing incident that killed over 100 civilians in Afghanistan and was covered up. When Obama appointed McChrystal to this job, he knew that he had already covered up the murder of Spc. Pat Tillman.

Also, on the heels of the Marjah Offensive (�bleeding ulcer� according to McChrystal), the Kandahar offensive is approaching and with June already being a deadly month, things will only get worse.

Thirdly, of course McChrystal is offering himself up as the sacrificial lamb of the FUBAR Empire.

cont'd at link

[The Happy Warrior]

When I first read the title, I thought it was a report about McCrystal saying the war is FUBAR. I thought, 'dude, you seriously need to STFU right about now, haven't you gotten enough attention already?'

And then I saw the author was Cindy Sheehan . . .

*sigh*

[bacasper]

[The Happy Warrior]

[bacasper]

The comparison may well be apt.

Sacking McChrystal: Testimony to a Lost War

Posted: 2010/06/29
From: Mathaba
by Stephen Lendman

On August 10, 1997, in The New York Times Magazine, David K. Shipler headlined, "Robert McNamara and the Ghosts of Vietnam" saying:

Looking back, one of the key war architects admitted "how dangerous it is for political leaders to behave the way we did" about a war that shouldn't have been fought and couldn't be won.

In his 1995 book, "In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam," former Defense Secretary McNamara wrote: "....we were wrong, terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why."

In 1965, he knew the war was lost and said so, telling Lyndon Johnson: "I don't believe they're ever going to quit. And I don't see....that we have any....plan for victory - militarily or diplomatically," spoken as he began escalating dramatically, knowing the futility and criminality.

...

America's Longest War - As Unwinnable as Vietnam, Reshuffling the Deck Chairs to Delay It

McChrystal's out, Petraeus is in, New York Times writers Alissa Rubin and Dexter Filkins announced the switch June 23, headlining, "Petraeus Is Now Taking Control of a 'Tougher Fight."

...

Waging a War on Terror

September 11, 2001 was the pretext for a global one, a so-called "just war" to defend America against "outside enem(ies)," manufactured to appear real - "radical Islam," including the Taliban, attacked on October 7, 2001, four weeks after 9/11, planned months in advance in anticipation of what then CENTCOM Commander General Tommy Franks called a "terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event," arousing enough public anger to launch it.

It's America's longest war under a president saying he'd end it as a candidate, then in office tripled US forces from 32,000 - 94,000, but promised to begin exiting by summer 2011. He just reneged, saying:

"We didn't say we'd be switching off the lights," ...the preferred New York Times strategy in its June 25 editorial, raising Gideon Polya's December 2009 body count of 3.4 million "post-invasion non-violent excess deaths" and another 1.1 million violent ones - genocide by any measure.

...

Yet America's longest war is unwinnable, according to McChrystal's Chief of Operations, Major General Bill Mayville, saying: "It's not going to look like a win, smell like a win or taste like a win.

[Reggie]

He should've been fired years ago for his lying and attempted coverups in the Pat Tillman scandal.

[Leon]

I think that if anyone can start to turn around the situation it's Petraeus. I think that the main problem is that people still cling onto an irrelevant idea of what success and "winning" is. This isn't conventional war so you won't get a conventional victory. My stance is that it would be irresponsible to pull out completely right now. I realize that we haven't done much good, but we can't leave our allies, especially the towns people in the towns we just fought for, to the wolves because they would be made an example of. Is it "FUBAR", that depends on Pakistan. I do think that Pakistan is making more progress fighting the Taliban than I thought they would but I doubt it will be enough.

[mises]

[Leon]

[bacasper]

[Leon]

[bucheon bum]

It seems then that you're assuming that gradual withdrawl can prevent the Taliban from taking over. Bacasper (and probably Mises) are merely arguing that the end result is inevitable.

And I agree with them: why do you think that gradual withdrawl will help our supporters there? What will stop them from being killed in the end?

[bacasper]

[Leon]

[mises]