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| Alex Jones www.infowars.com |
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Joined: 07 Apr 2008
Location: At an undisclosed FEMA camp.
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 Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: Alex Jones |
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U decide.
www.infowars.com
NWO, Chem-trails, CFC/Bilderber, NWO, Federal Reserve, Swine Flu....the list goes on. |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sure there are sprinklings of truth to be found in his diatribes. But having forced myself through a couple of his "documentaries", I am of the firm opinion that he is either a paranoid psychotic, or a very avant-garde comedian. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: ... |
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First off, the 9-11 thread was created for a reason: to contain such discussions. Your poll is a 9-11 poll, not really an Alex Jones poll.
As such, it doesn't really belong here.
As for Alex Jones, he's probably right...about something. If you fling that much poo, something probably hits a target.
But that's really it. He's a massive poo-flinger.
You size it up somewhat well:
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NWO, Chem-trails, CFC/Bilderber, NWO, Federal Reserve, Swine Flu....the list goes on. |
but the...indicates the list is incomplete. He's on about much more than that.
A great deal of what he's on about has already been debunked. Most of the rest is hearsay. He insinuates all matter of things. He can back very little of it up with more than more insinuation.
He's a hero to a crowd of people who like hype more than any kind of grounded examination of any given issue. Generally speaking, rational discussion unfavorable to his wild positions mean that you're a lemming blindly following the status quo. That's an incredibly lame, fallacious argument that anyone can employ against any other opinion, his own included.
He IS making a wopping lot off of a group of followers who, I think truly believe their minds are open when, in fact, they're not. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| I love Alex Jones...except for when he trashed Michael Jackson. I believe him and the things he says are real folks. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:33 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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First off, the 9-11 thread was created for a reason: to contain such discussions. Your poll is a 9-11 poll, not really an Alex Jones poll.
As such, it doesn't really belong here. |
Don't mind this, 5600. Alex Jones talks about a lot more than just 9/11.
If the poll is any indication, most Davers would agree, seeing as how at this point only 1 out of 10 has voted the "9/11" option. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:19 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
First off, the 9-11 thread was created for a reason: to contain such discussions. Your poll is a 9-11 poll, not really an Alex Jones poll.
As such, it doesn't really belong here.
As for Alex Jones, he's probably right...about something. If you fling that much poo, something probably hits a target.
But that's really it. He's a massive poo-flinger.
You size it up somewhat well:
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NWO, Chem-trails, CFC/Bilderber, NWO, Federal Reserve, Swine Flu....the list goes on. |
but the...indicates the list is incomplete. He's on about much more than that.
A great deal of what he's on about has already been debunked. Most of the rest is hearsay. He insinuates all matter of things. He can back very little of it up with more than more insinuation.
He's a hero to a crowd of people who like hype more than any kind of grounded examination of any given issue. Generally speaking, rational discussion unfavorable to his wild positions mean that you're a lemming blindly following the status quo. That's an incredibly lame, fallacious argument that anyone can employ against any other opinion, his own included.
He IS making a wopping lot off of a group of followers who, I think truly believe their minds are open when, in fact, they're not. |
First, you've just flung 'a lot of poo' yourself in your post without actually rebuttling a single thing or offering a single shred of counter-evidence. Pointless.
Second, how in the hell would you know how much money he makes? He runs a radio show and employs people: not cheap. In fact, it's very expensive to do what he does. And he really doesn't seem like he's in it for the money. All his shows and movies are free to watch on youtube and he tells people to copy them as much as they can. |
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Bucheonguy
Joined: 23 Oct 2008
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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I'm curious as to what exactly is wrong with making money? Everyone makes money and that has nothing to do with morality. Making money at what you're good at is the 'American Dream,' isn't it?
Secondly, his track record is pretty damn good. You can go watch videos made the summer before 9/11 with him saying it was going to happen.
In the spring before H1N1 he predicted a flu outbreak.
He predicted Obama's fall.
So I want to know exactly what this guy says, that isn't true? I would also like to know what is wrong with the peaceful political activism which he pushes?
What exactly are people's problems with this guy? He has lots of credible guests that back the guy up and all he does is site documents, studies and international reports. |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: |
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What exactly are people's problems with this guy? He has lots of credible guests that back the guy up and all he does is site documents, studies and international reports. |
Speaking for myself, my problem with Alex Jones is that he says alot of things that either aren't true or are highly suspect. I was especially turned off him after watching his "Endgame" video. I posted my complaints a few months back as follows;
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As evidence that the American bankers and robber barons were partial to the national socialist way to globalization in the 1930's, he points to a Major General Smedley Butler who "went public in 1934 exposing an attempt by the robber barons to launch a military overthrow of the United States. The war hero testified to the McCormick-Dickstein commitee in congress that some of the most powerful men in America had tried to recruit him to lead a military coup so they could set up national socialism in the United States." Reading the history of this episode is quite interesting, but what is known is not conclusive enough for Jones to use it to make such sweeping assumptions.
He also claims that fascism had made deep inroads in England, pointing to the abdication of Edward the 8th because of his support for Hitler as evidence of this (in reality he adbicated so he could marry some woman, a marriage that for reasons I won't go into here would have been morally unacceptable for a king).
He provides us with only these two examples to help make the argument that the U.S. and England were either being run by secret globalizing fascists or on the verge of being so in the run-up to WWII. These two examples and nothing else. And that's pretty much his style for all of this work, giving us wild opinion and backing it up with next to nothing. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| ubermenzch wrote: |
| Bucheonguy wrote: |
What exactly are people's problems with this guy? He has lots of credible guests that back the guy up and all he does is site documents, studies and international reports. |
Speaking for myself, my problem with Alex Jones is that he says alot of things that either aren't true or are highly suspect. I was especially turned off him after watching his "Endgame" video. I posted my complaints a few months back as follows;
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As evidence that the American bankers and robber barons were partial to the national socialist way to globalization in the 1930's, he points to a Major General Smedley Butler who "went public in 1934 exposing an attempt by the robber barons to launch a military overthrow of the United States. The war hero testified to the McCormick-Dickstein commitee in congress that some of the most powerful men in America had tried to recruit him to lead a military coup so they could set up national socialism in the United States." Reading the history of this episode is quite interesting, but what is known is not conclusive enough for Jones to use it to make such sweeping assumptions.
He also claims that fascism had made deep inroads in England, pointing to the abdication of Edward the 8th because of his support for Hitler as evidence of this (in reality he adbicated so he could marry some woman, a marriage that for reasons I won't go into here would have been morally unacceptable for a king).
He provides us with only these two examples to help make the argument that the U.S. and England were either being run by secret globalizing fascists or on the verge of being so in the run-up to WWII. These two examples and nothing else. And that's pretty much his style for all of this work, giving us wild opinion and backing it up with next to nothing. |
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You haven't cited anything there that has been proven untrue, so if I may sum up your criticism, it is that he provides only slim documentation. Yes?
It seems to me that many people dismiss him generally, but few actually refute the details of what the says. |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| ubermenzch wrote: |
| Bucheonguy wrote: |
What exactly are people's problems with this guy? He has lots of credible guests that back the guy up and all he does is site documents, studies and international reports. |
Speaking for myself, my problem with Alex Jones is that he says alot of things that either aren't true or are highly suspect. I was especially turned off him after watching his "Endgame" video. I posted my complaints a few months back as follows;
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As evidence that the American bankers and robber barons were partial to the national socialist way to globalization in the 1930's, he points to a Major General Smedley Butler who "went public in 1934 exposing an attempt by the robber barons to launch a military overthrow of the United States. The war hero testified to the McCormick-Dickstein commitee in congress that some of the most powerful men in America had tried to recruit him to lead a military coup so they could set up national socialism in the United States." Reading the history of this episode is quite interesting, but what is known is not conclusive enough for Jones to use it to make such sweeping assumptions.
He also claims that fascism had made deep inroads in England, pointing to the abdication of Edward the 8th because of his support for Hitler as evidence of this (in reality he adbicated so he could marry some woman, a marriage that for reasons I won't go into here would have been morally unacceptable for a king).
He provides us with only these two examples to help make the argument that the U.S. and England were either being run by secret globalizing fascists or on the verge of being so in the run-up to WWII. These two examples and nothing else. And that's pretty much his style for all of this work, giving us wild opinion and backing it up with next to nothing. |
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You haven't cited anything there that has been proven untrue, so if I may sum up your criticism, it is that he provides only slim documentation. Yes?
It seems to me that many people dismiss him generally, but few actually refute the details of what the says. |
Do a little research, dear bacasper, and you too will become aware that Alex Jones is quite wrong when he states that Edward the 8th abdicated due to his support for Hitler. Did you even read what I wrote? You don't count this as refuting a detail of what Alex Jones said?
But yes, I am bothered by the "slim documentation", too.
I find his films to be sinister exercises in paranoid fantasy, crudely disguised as exercises in seriousness.
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ubermenzch
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
It seems to me that many people dismiss him generally, but few actually refute the details of what the says. |
Here's an example of my refuting the details of what Alex Jones says...
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he and webster tarpley talked about how "this guy" governor general of canada michelle jean (actually a women) had more power than the canadian prime minister and parliament.
to prove that the queen really runs the show in canada, they pointed to the example of the canadian nafta debate. apparently the usually elected senators (correct me if i'm wrong but they aren't elected nor have they ever been), were "packed" or "stacked" in order to pass it (canadian senators do not usually vote down something once it has been sent their way by the "lower chamber").
the governor general of canada controls canadian commerce, according to alex jones. hilarious nonsense!
and this is all from just one 10 minute segment of his show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wa0cH9UH_M
shall i continue?
i think this is very telling because he probably doesn't really know much about canada (why would he) so he seems to be content just making it up, or going along with what his "historian" tells him. he also doesn't know much about what goes on in those "secret meetings" (how could he), so isn't it perhaps wise to suspect a little of the same from him in this case? |
and bacasper simply dismissing it as frivolity....
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If you had to stretch all that far to find something wrong with what Jones said, and it is about Canada no less, I guess the most of his other info is pretty solid then.
Continue, if you will, with something American. |
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Nowhere Man
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| First, you've just flung 'a lot of poo' yourself in your post without actually rebuttling a single thing or offering a single shred of counter-evidence. Pointless. |
OK, Mr. Joined in Jan '08. I'm up for another Alex Jones thread.
We'll see who flings poo where.
But not right now. I have an intense time till roundabout Sept. 3rd, but soon enough.
Meanwhile, tune in to a bit of Rteacher, Julius (Junior/Rapier), and Bacasper+Reggie (Theme)'s stuff.
It might facilitate things.
You have big brown ears. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:20 am Post subject: ... |
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| First, you've just flung 'a lot of poo' yourself in your post without actually rebuttling a single thing or offering a single shred of counter-evidence. Pointless. |
OK, Mr. Joined in Jan '08. I'm up for another Alex Jones thread.
We'll see who flings poo where.
But not right now. I have an intense time till roundabout Sept. 3rd, but soon enough.
Meanwhile, tune in to a bit of Rteacher, Julius (Junior/Rapier), and Bacasper+Reggie (Theme)'s stuff.
It might facilitate things.
You have big brown ears. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| ubermenzch wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| ubermenzch wrote: |
| Bucheonguy wrote: |
What exactly are people's problems with this guy? He has lots of credible guests that back the guy up and all he does is site documents, studies and international reports. |
Speaking for myself, my problem with Alex Jones is that he says alot of things that either aren't true or are highly suspect. I was especially turned off him after watching his "Endgame" video. I posted my complaints a few months back as follows;
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As evidence that the American bankers and robber barons were partial to the national socialist way to globalization in the 1930's, he points to a Major General Smedley Butler who "went public in 1934 exposing an attempt by the robber barons to launch a military overthrow of the United States. The war hero testified to the McCormick-Dickstein commitee in congress that some of the most powerful men in America had tried to recruit him to lead a military coup so they could set up national socialism in the United States." Reading the history of this episode is quite interesting, but what is known is not conclusive enough for Jones to use it to make such sweeping assumptions.
He also claims that fascism had made deep inroads in England, pointing to the abdication of Edward the 8th because of his support for Hitler as evidence of this (in reality he adbicated so he could marry some woman, a marriage that for reasons I won't go into here would have been morally unacceptable for a king).
He provides us with only these two examples to help make the argument that the U.S. and England were either being run by secret globalizing fascists or on the verge of being so in the run-up to WWII. These two examples and nothing else. And that's pretty much his style for all of this work, giving us wild opinion and backing it up with next to nothing. |
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You haven't cited anything there that has been proven untrue, so if I may sum up your criticism, it is that he provides only slim documentation. Yes?
It seems to me that many people dismiss him generally, but few actually refute the details of what the says. |
Do a little research, dear bacasper, and you too will become aware that Alex Jones is quite wrong when he states that Edward the 8th abdicated due to his support for Hitler. Did you even read what I wrote? You don't count this as refuting a detail of what Alex Jones said?
But yes, I am bothered by the "slim documentation", too.
I find his films to be sinister exercises in paranoid fantasy, crudely disguised as exercises in seriousness. |
You're being very disingenuous here.. Edward VIII did NOT abdicate simply to marry his wife, who incidentally was a Nazi agent! This is a documented fact. He was good friends with the German Ambassador von Ribbentrop, and even went to visit Hitler (whom he called a "great man") with full honors, famously giving the full Nazi salute on camera.
His family, the Windsors, were entirely of German stock (actually the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha -- the name Windsor was simply chosen arbitrarily after WWI in response to anti-German sentiment in England). Edward VIII considered Germany to be his roots, and he even spoke German at home.
He is also considered by some sources to be an outright traitor, encouraging the Nazis to bomb England to force it to make peace with Germany, and engaging in espionage.
Either way, looks like Alex Jones was right, and you were wrong...
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
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| First, you've just flung 'a lot of poo' yourself in your post without actually rebuttling a single thing or offering a single shred of counter-evidence. Pointless. |
OK, Mr. Joined in Jan '08. I'm up for another Alex Jones thread.
We'll see who flings poo where.
But not right now. I have an intense time till roundabout Sept. 3rd, but soon enough.
Meanwhile, tune in to a bit of Rteacher, Julius (Junior/Rapier), and Bacasper+Reggie (Theme)'s stuff.
It might facilitate things.
You have big brown ears. |
Um, hot air doesn't bother me. Go ahead and post your points, if they have substance they'll stand up for themselves, if not I'll refute them. Till then, nothing else to tell you. |
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