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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:34 am    Post subject: Could Saudi possibly be next? Reply with quote

Gulf leaders hear rumblings of dissent

By BRIAN MURPHY, Associated Press Brian Murphy, Associated Press � Tue Feb 8, 6:38 am ET

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates � There were only a few dozen Saudi women at a protest to demand the release of prisoners they claim are unfairly linked to militants. Yet the small act of defiance in Riyadh is part of a wider question for autocratic rulers in the Gulf who wonder if the ripples from Egypt could head their way.

It's too early to predict what � if any � street demonstrations could rise across a region symbolized by its skyscraper-studded wealth, super-powerful sheiks and monarchs and some of Washington's most important military footholds.

The failure to draw crowds at planned rallies in Syria last week also underscores that the protest fire from Tunisia and Egypt apparently can be stamped out by hard-line state security, which is also a hallmark of Gulf states.

But there's no shortage of hints that reform-seeking groups in the Gulf are trying to seize the moment.

The rare protest rally on Saturday in Saudi's capital came a week after Saudi activists launched a Facebook page demanding more jobs and political accountability in the world's biggest oil exporter. Calls on social media sites also have gone out for protests next week in Bahrain and next month in Kuwait � the two Gulf nations with the most active and organized political opposition.

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"This is the Achilles' heel of the Gulf," said Christopher Davidson, a Gulf expert at the University of Durham in Britain. "There might be belief in change in other parts of the Arab world, but they don't want it to get too close."

In some ways, it's already at their doorstep.

A Kuwaiti group calling itself Fifth Fence is using Twitter messages for calls to rise up against "undemocratic practices" by the government, which has been under increasing pressure from opposition lawmakers over allegations of fiscal abuse and attempts to roll back political freedoms.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope not. I want to work in Saudi for September.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Could Saudi possibly be next? Reply with quote

Space Bar wrote:
protest fire ... apparently can be stamped out by hard-line state security.


Yep.

Protests accomplish nothing in undemocratic countries except getting people shot.

In such countries, elections are the means by which a dictator identifies which areas of the country need to be punished.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iran is next. I believe a large protest is happening this week. Saudi maybe but I think more gradual change. Iran will be violent when it blows. The revolutionary guard unleashed the thugs in 2009 during the demonstrations. I think the dissidents will fight back this time. Iran is ripe young population and a lot of internet access.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: Could Saudi possibly be next? Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Space Bar wrote:
protest fire ... apparently can be stamped out by hard-line state security.


Yep.

Protests accomplish nothing in undemocratic countries except getting people shot.

In such countries, elections are the means by which a dictator identifies which areas of the country need to be punished.


Wish I didn't agree with this.

Unfortunately, this is a battle with the have's vs the have not's. As the have's will not just give up their control, I suspect violence to be the only solution. Sigh.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rollo wrote:
Iran is next.


They've been saying that for an awfully looooong time.
Iranians have risen up and taken to the streets numerous times in the past 20 years. But nothing ever changes.

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The revolutionary guard unleashed the thugs in 2009 during the demonstrations. I think the dissidents will fight back this time.
With what? shovels and rolling pins?

Nah.
What egypt shows is that it is impossible to remove a dictator by street protests, strikes or other campaigns. It requires bullets, bloodshed and weaponry, years of fighting and sacrifice. The new leader to be crowned inevitably turns into a dictator himself after a few years, and the cycle repeats.

Not all dictators are gutless. Tunisia got lucky, their dude lost his nerve and bolted. Ceaucescu ran at the sound of a few boos in the crowd. But the likes of Mubarak are made of sterner stuff.

Things would be vastly different in all these countries if the general populace had the right to bear arms.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Could Saudi possibly be next? Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Space Bar wrote:
protest fire ... apparently can be stamped out by hard-line state security.


Yep.

Protests accomplish nothing in undemocratic countries except getting people shot.

Sometimes happens in so-called 'democratic' countries, too, like at Kent State.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
But the likes of Mubarak are made of sterner stuff.


Laughing

He lasted 17 days of protests. That's an even shorter amount of time than Tunisia's Ben Ali!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:

Things would be vastly different in all these countries if the general populace had the right to bear arms.


I've always thought that most of the problems in the Middle East would either be solved or made irrelevant by a large and unexpected "donation" of AK-47s, airdropped to the local citizenry in these countries.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
Junior wrote:
But the likes of Mubarak are made of sterner stuff.


Laughing

He lasted 17 days of protests. That's an even shorter amount of time than Tunisia's Ben Ali!


I stand corrected. I can't believe the man. What arrogance.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:
Junior wrote:
But the likes of Mubarak are made of sterner stuff.

Laughing
He lasted 17 days of protests. That's an even shorter amount of time than Tunisia's Ben Ali!

I stand corrected. I can't believe the man. What arrogance.

Never believe it until it actually happens. I wonder if the military knew about this? Because the impression I get they were expecting him to step down. It's time for the military to step in and put Mubarak under house arrest and clean house.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:
Junior wrote:
But the likes of Mubarak are made of sterner stuff.

Laughing
He lasted 17 days of protests. That's an even shorter amount of time than Tunisia's Ben Ali!

I stand corrected. I can't believe the man. What arrogance.

Never believe it until it actually happens. I wonder if the military knew about this? Because the impression I get they were expecting him to step down. It's time for the military to step in and put Mubarak under house arrest and clean house.


I just read that there is probably a division within the military. The presidential guard is still behind him (shocking) but other branches aren't so keen on him. Be interesting to see what happens.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is easy to armchair quarterback but when you are in a life or death situation maybe the choices are not so easy. So of course there are divisions within the military and divisions within the ranks of protesters. The losers in this probably get chopped. Before Mubarak can leave there has to be some kind of transitional government. I also think it is time the military took control of the change.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:12 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

All of the protests you see are in the poor countries.

Saudi Arabia is a kingdom, not run by a cleric. Its king provides a lot for its people and has some of the deepest pockets in the world to do so.

The only possible case of status quo there being disturbed is a succession, and even in that case it is a pretty far-flung prospect.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saudi no I cant see it. Kuwait, the al Sabahs have ruled there since the 1750's and are very clever and flexible. The average income in Kuwait is about $55,000 a year and only 2% unemployment. Iran , will blow up but the next candidate is Jordan.
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