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vastrei4



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:14 am    Post subject: Trash Cans Reply with quote

I really do love so much about Seoul, but one thing that gets under my skin is the lack of trash cans.

Can someone explain to me the logic by placing so FEW trash cans around the city, I just don't understand. Wouldn't this cut down on the janitorial work around the city?
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No garbage cans means more street sweepers. It is a basic government make work program. The attitude is why worry about garbage as some street sweeper will pick it up.

Other reasons is terrorism. Garbage cans make good places to hide bombs (weak excuse)

Also, every time a local government puts out a garbage can it gets abused. I think the strangest site was seeing some Adjuma trying to save 500 won by trying to dumb her waste into a soccer ball shaped garbage can with a hole the size of a soda can.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old people bottom feed on the trash which works as they seem to need the recycling trash work since they do it. There is a trash collection and sorting lot near me where old people come and go with these rickshaw looking pull carts. It's a recylcing program they do that doesn't cost the city anything, but is funded by a pay per bag system as well as cashing in recyclable materials. I just buy these green bags for my trash and then put recyclables like bottles and card board in shopping bags to set out on the side of the street and they come and get it regularly.

Bus terminals have public trash cans, but nothing you can abuse. If they had trash cans in the street, people would just abuse it. Some bus stops have trash cans that just perpetually over flow so this goes to show people want to throw their trash in a waste receptacle, but there isn't enough to handle the load. People here are used to dealing with pollution more so than we are. For a country with a recycling system in place, it sure is a polluted trashy one.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sanitation isn't funded by taxes, or so I've been told by a few people. This is why we buy special garbage bags and pay sanitation fees in our rent (many of us, at least).

Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.
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brickabrack



Joined: 17 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll be even more in awe by the lack of trash cans in small towns. Litter creates jobs for the street workers. Logical? Some might think so. I understand why it is done.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYC_Gal wrote:
Sanitation isn't funded by taxes, or so I've been told by a few people. This is why we buy special garbage bags and pay sanitation fees in our rent (many of us, at least).

Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.


You're close. The current bag system is a tax. It taxes you more if you produce more waste. It's called the Volume-based Waste Fee and was implemented back in '95.

Before that there were trash cans every fifty meters or so throughout Seoul.

Everyone was pretty up in arms about the new system and lots of people tried to skirt it by throwing their trash away in public bins rather than pay for the proper bags.

Lots of special enforcement patrols went on that summer, and there was even a million won reward for snitching on illegal dumpers.

It was in the end a losing battle and the only solution left was to remove the majority of public waste bins from the streets.

The overall effectiveness of the VBWF has been pretty good.

Quote:

After 10 years of implementation, VBWF has proved to be very successful in curving the municipal solid
waste generation in Korea. During the periods of 1994 ~ 2006, municipal solid waste generation has
decreased by 15.95 %, and at the same time, the recycling rate has increased from 15.4% in 1994 to 57.2% in
2006.


http://eng.me.go.kr/main.do
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hari seldon



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:


The current bag system is a tax. It taxes you more if you produce more waste. It's called the Volume-based Waste Fee and was implemented back in '95.

Before that there were trash cans every fifty meters or so throughout Seoul.

Everyone was pretty up in arms about the new system and lots of people tried to skirt it by throwing their trash away in public bins rather than pay for the proper bags.

Lots of special enforcement patrols went on that summer, and there was even a million won reward for snitching on illegal dumpers.

It was in the end a losing battle and the only solution left was to remove the majority of public waste bins from the streets...


They solved their trash disposal problem and created a litter problem in the process. What a shame.

AFAIK the Japanese also have a volume-based trash taxation scheme, but they don't have the same litter problem. I wonder why.
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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gangnam has plenty of trash cans with cigarette dispensers.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hari seldon wrote:
T-J wrote:


The current bag system is a tax. It taxes you more if you produce more waste. It's called the Volume-based Waste Fee and was implemented back in '95.

Before that there were trash cans every fifty meters or so throughout Seoul.

Everyone was pretty up in arms about the new system and lots of people tried to skirt it by throwing their trash away in public bins rather than pay for the proper bags.

Lots of special enforcement patrols went on that summer, and there was even a million won reward for snitching on illegal dumpers.

It was in the end a losing battle and the only solution left was to remove the majority of public waste bins from the streets...


They solved their trash disposal problem and created a litter problem in the process. What a shame.

AFAIK the Japanese also have a volume-based trash taxation scheme, but they don't have the same litter problem. I wonder why.


I've seen pictures of little trash piles in Japan. I think they're just better at squirreling it away. When I saw the picture there was a comment that bike baskets are commonly targeted for trash disposal.

That said if I've got my bag on my I don't drop trash. Even without my bag I will hold on to unless it is something unwieldy. At that point I'll try to hold it until I find a designated "trash pile" that someone has started.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Population density probably has something to do with it

Tokyo~4,400 / sq km
Seoul~10,300/ sq km
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zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WadRUG'naDoo wrote:
Gangnam has plenty of trash cans with cigarette dispensers.



Hongdae has one.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just put your cigarettes in the same place I put my old motor oil and cooking grease- the sewer drain.

I kid. I kid.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen that a lot of people use those plastic bin things tied to telephone poles that hold real estate newspapers. Especially if they are near a bus stop. I've seen people drop litter in bike baskets as well. But most often, i see it accumulate on the street.

Some apartment complexes have large garbage bins that you can just throw your garbage in without a special bag.

When I lived in Japan, they had the same system as Korea (special garbage bags), but no one explained to me and my room mate that you have to separate garbage (metal, paper, food, etc). Since the bags are transparent everyone can see what you are throwing out. I don't know if our neighbors were watching us when we went to drop off our garbage and then hurried out to look at it, or if they just assumed that it was the foreigners who were mixing garbage, but pretty quickly our landlord told us that the neighbors were complaining about it.


What is the fine if you get caught putting out garbage in a regular bag? Do the police have to see you do it? Or can a neighbor simply report you?

Do the bags cost the same everywhere? Or some cities/areas are different prices?
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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zappadelta wrote:
WadRUG'naDoo wrote:
Gangnam has plenty of trash cans with cigarette dispensers.



Hongdae has one.


Wow. It must be pretty full all the time.
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