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Mosley
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 Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: Takes you Back: Wealthy effete elites supporting Communists |
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http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=24895780
Takes one back to the early & mid-20th C.(and occasionally later)where Western elitists and spoiled brats, for a variety of the most twisted and repugnant of motives, supported Communism in thought and deed(esp., espionage...hello Cambridge 5, Rosenbergs, etc.). |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Takes you Back: Wealthy effete elites supporting Communi |
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| Mosley wrote: |
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=24895780
Takes one back to the early & mid-20th C.(and occasionally later)where Western elitists and spoiled brats, for a variety of the most twisted and repugnant of motives, supported Communism in thought and deed(esp., espionage...hello Cambridge 5, Rosenbergs, etc.). |
I don't believe the Rosenburgs were wealthy. Just communists. |
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beck's
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Cuba is the darling of the limosine lefties and the US is the big villan in the eyes of the self hating, rich, white liberals educated by rococo Marxist professors (see The Land of the Rococo Marxists by Tom Wolfe).
Arguments go something like this. In Cuba everyone has medical care and everyone goes to school. The literacy rate is very high thanks to socialism. Cuba is poor economically because of the US embargo. Oh yeah, they have wonderful ice cream!
It is just ridiculous. Thousands of Cubans have risked their lives in leaky boats and inner tube rafts to get the US. There is virtually no traffic the other way.
I was in Havana a couple of years ago and spent about a week trying to live life like a Cuban using Cuban Pesos as opposed to the Convertable Tourist Pasos. Living was pretty bleak. I ate mostly greasy pork sanwiches, the most horrible pizza I have ever had, beans and rice, bread and eggs and drinking peso rum which tasted like kerosene and smoking peso cigars which fell apart in my fingers.
The good things in life are available only to those who have Convertable Tourist Pesos pegged to the US dollar--taxis, Havana Club Rum, good cigars, hotel rooms, good beer, decent clothing etc. That is why so many teachers and doctors drive cabs to get the Convertable Pesos. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| beck's wrote: |
Cuba is the darling of the limosine lefties and the US is the big villan in the eyes of the self hating, rich, white liberals educated by rococo Marxist professors (see The Land of the Rococo Marxists by Tom Wolfe).
Arguments go something like this. In Cuba everyone has medical care and everyone goes to school. The literacy rate is very high thanks to socialism. Cuba is poor economically because of the US embargo. Oh yeah, they have wonderful ice cream!
It is just ridiculous. Thousands of Cubans have risked their lives in leaky boats and inner tube rafts to get the US. There is virtually no traffic the other way.
I was in Havana a couple of years ago and spent about a week trying to live life like a Cuban using Cuban Pesos as opposed to the Convertable Tourist Pasos. Living was pretty bleak. I ate mostly greasy pork sanwiches, the most horrible pizza I have ever had, beans and rice, bread and eggs and drinking peso rum which tasted like kerosene and smoking peso cigars which fell apart in my fingers.
The good things in life are available only to those who have Convertable Tourist Pesos pegged to the US dollar--taxis, Havana Club Rum, good cigars, hotel rooms, good beer, decent clothing etc. That is why so many teachers and doctors drive cabs to get the Convertable Pesos. |
It is certainly no wokers paradise. But there is also no valid reason to keep the embargo in place. It is a relic from the cold war. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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lol.
Isn't this thread about 20 years too late, Oswald? |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Talking to me, puppet man?
I took my moniker from SHANE Mosley.
Look at my link if you think this story was only relevant "20 yrs. ago".
And beck's reference to Tom Wolfe's essay is an answer if you think yesterday's "fellow travellers" are a long-gone relic of the past. T'wer it only so.... |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| It is certainly no wokers paradise. But there is also no valid reason to keep the embargo in place. It is a relic from the cold war. |
It's just absurd, even by the standards of cold-hearted realpolitik. The US has no standing policy of embargoing dictatorships, and it's not like any hostile power is trying to use Cuba as a window of influence into the Americas.
The only reason I can see for keeping the embargo in place is that the Miami emigres make a substantial contribution to Florida's electoral college tally. Plus, I guess, "yer-soft-on-Communism" is still a vote-getter in some circles throughout the US. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Apparently, that Tom Wolfe essay referenced earlier is available on-line.
I'm not a fan of Wolfe's overall politics, but as a stylist and a satirist, he's pretty good. |
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