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impressionn
Joined: 04 May 2012
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:04 pm Post subject: FBI Criminal Background Check (Am I Screwed?) |
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Recently, while I was walking hope drunk after a night at a local bar, I was arrested for "public intoxication," which is ironic because I walked home specifically to avoid a potential DUI charge.
I have hired a criminal defense attorney to either dismiss this misdemeanor charge or negotiate the lowering of this misdemeanor to an infraction. Now several attorneys have told me that the chances of dismissing this charge is highly probable, some even stating a 99% success rate, as this is my first criminal charge.
Even if everything works out, and I get my charge dismissed, my "dismissed" charges unfortunately will still appear in my FBI CBC. My plan is to seal or expunge this charge, but I have heard that even sealing or expunging will not delete all accounts arrests or charges on a federal level(can someone confirm if this is true?), which can potentially nullify my chances of teaching EFL in Korea.
However, some people have stated that they successfully removed all accounts of criminal activity in their FBI CBC (Need confirmation on this from those that went through the process).
So, my question is:
1) Were any of you or do you know of a case where criminal charges were successfully expunged on your FBI CBC and allowed you to work in Korea?
2) Will Korea deny me employment even if my charges were dismissed (non-conviction)?
3) I am a gyopo. Therefore, I can get a F4 visa to enter Korea, but will I have to provide CBC to employers personally? Since, FBI CBC is primary used to obtain a work visa, would I be able to bypass this step?
I feel like I f***ed up so hard on something so stupid. I am senior at a university planning, and have been planning, to work in Korea for the past 3 years and I feel like I royally screwed up my life. Any help and even anecdotal evidence will help me immensely. Advice from people with similar experience will be much appreciated. Thank you. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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On an F4 you don't need the check to get a visa.
You can enter Korea and start work.
If there is ANYTHING other than "no record" on your check then you cannot get registered at the MOE to work as a teacher regardless of your visa status.
Get a MA and teach at the university level where the CBC is not needed or find another line of work (translator, etc).
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impressionn
Joined: 04 May 2012
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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I understand if I want to work at a public school, I would have to register at the Ministry of Education. If, however, I decide to work at a private hagwon, would I still need to register at the MOE? Do I need to submit a CBC when applying in-person as opposed to a recruiter?
Unfortunately, just getting a MA degree will not get my accepted at university position where a CBC is not required because I would need to have "further experience" teaching at such a level. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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impressionn wrote: |
I understand if I want to work at a public school, I would have to register at the Ministry of Education. If, however, I decide to work at a private hagwon, would I still need to register at the MOE? Do I need to submit a CBC when applying in-person as opposed to a recruiter?
Unfortunately, just getting a MA degree will not get my accepted at university position where a CBC is not required because I would need to have "further experience" teaching at such a level. |
ANY school or learning center that deals with minors is covered by the MOE, not just public schools.
There are probably a few who won't bother to register you or you can keep trying until you find one and move on when pressed for the CBC. Your F4 isn't tied to your employment so you have lots of options. Your biggest issue will be being non-white.
With an F4 you are not limited to just working in a hagwon.
Get a visa, get a ticket and hit the ground running.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: FBI Criminal Background Check (Am I Screwed?) |
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impressionn wrote: |
Even if everything works out, and I get my charge dismissed, my "dismissed" charges unfortunately will still appear in my FBI CBC. |
You did the right thing and hired a lawyer to represent you after your "stupid" mistake.
Keep doing the right thing. If the Korean government decides that a dismissal of a criminal charge is the basis for denial of entry, then it seems you should fight it. Think about it. What's the difference between an empty record and a record with only a dismissal? The difference often comes down to the local prosecutor, not your conduct (or guilt).
On the US side, try to inform your lawyer of your goals in Korea. It may be that it matters that you have your case dismissed with or without prejudice.
Good luck.
ttompatz wrote: |
If there is ANYTHING other than "no record" on your check then you cannot get registered at the MOE to work as a teacher regardless of your visa status. |
How can that be? Seems ripe for a challenge, to say the least. If even true. |
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Overture1928
Joined: 12 Jan 2014
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="ttompatz"]
impressionn wrote: |
Your biggest issue will be being non-white.
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I don't know if it is just me, but there seems to be less and less white people working at schools and replaced by Gyopos. I think they are more attractive from an economical view. Can pay them lower salary and there is no obligation to provide them with pension, medical (not against the law), and they hope to not have to provide any housing or housing allowance. Some might not even complain about tickets home. |
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candy bar
Joined: 03 Dec 2012
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:54 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Overture1928"]
ttompatz wrote: |
impressionn wrote: |
Your biggest issue will be being non-white.
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I don't know if it is just me, but there seems to be less and less white people working at schools and replaced by Gyopos. I think they are more attractive from an economical view. Can pay them lower salary and there is no obligation to provide them with pension, medical (not against the law), and they hope to not have to provide any housing or housing allowance. Some might not even complain about tickets home. |
Gyopos don't have pure foreigner blood and they speak with a different accent. |
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impressionn
Joined: 04 May 2012
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Overture1928"]
ttompatz wrote: |
impressionn wrote: |
Your biggest issue will be being non-white.
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I don't know if it is just me, but there seems to be less and less white people working at schools and replaced by Gyopos. I think they are more attractive from an economical view. Can pay them lower salary and there is no obligation to provide them with pension, medical (not against the law), and they hope to not have to provide any housing or housing allowance. Some might not even complain about tickets home. |
I am confident that the reason gyopos are becoming more and more desirable is not because of an economic advantage on the employer's part, but because many are bilingual and more culturally agreeable in the workplace. There may be more reasons, but I believe economic advantage is not the primary reason. |
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impressionn
Joined: 04 May 2012
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="candy bar"]
Overture1928 wrote: |
ttompatz wrote: |
impressionn wrote: |
Your biggest issue will be being non-white.
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I don't know if it is just me, but there seems to be less and less white people working at schools and replaced by Gyopos. I think they are more attractive from an economical view. Can pay them lower salary and there is no obligation to provide them with pension, medical (not against the law), and they hope to not have to provide any housing or housing allowance. Some might not even complain about tickets home. |
Gyopos don't have pure foreigner blood and they speak with a different accent. |
Depends on the gyopo. I live in Southern California around a huge Korean community. Naturally, there are tons of gyopos. Of all the gyopos I've met, at least 75% of them don't have any noticeable "accent" when speaking Korean. I am a gyopo myself and have met several "fresh off the boat" Koreans from Korea, and oftentimes they are flabbergasted when they hear me speak English without any accent, as they stereotypically thought I was just like them. |
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candy bar
Joined: 03 Dec 2012
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="impressionn"]
candy bar wrote: |
Overture1928 wrote: |
ttompatz wrote: |
impressionn wrote: |
Your biggest issue will be being non-white.
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I don't know if it is just me, but there seems to be less and less white people working at schools and replaced by Gyopos. I think they are more attractive from an economical view. Can pay them lower salary and there is no obligation to provide them with pension, medical (not against the law), and they hope to not have to provide any housing or housing allowance. Some might not even complain about tickets home. |
Gyopos don't have pure foreigner blood and they speak with a different accent. |
Depends on the gyopo. I live in Southern California around a huge Korean community. Naturally, there are tons of gyopos. Of all the gyopos I've met, at least 75% of them don't have any noticeable "accent" when speaking Korean. I am a gyopo myself and have met several "fresh off the boat" Koreans from Korea, and oftentimes they are flabbergasted when they hear me speak English without any accent, as they stereotypically thought I was just like them. |
Oh, REALLY?
You don't notice the accent and your fresh of the boat Korean friends from Korea don't notice the accent. However, I and many others do notice the Korean accent. Every gyopo I've met has it. |
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impressionn
Joined: 04 May 2012
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="candy bar"]
impressionn wrote: |
candy bar wrote: |
Overture1928 wrote: |
ttompatz wrote: |
impressionn wrote: |
Your biggest issue will be being non-white.
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I don't know if it is just me, but there seems to be less and less white people working at schools and replaced by Gyopos. I think they are more attractive from an economical view. Can pay them lower salary and there is no obligation to provide them with pension, medical (not against the law), and they hope to not have to provide any housing or housing allowance. Some might not even complain about tickets home. |
Gyopos don't have pure foreigner blood and they speak with a different accent. |
Depends on the gyopo. I live in Southern California around a huge Korean community. Naturally, there are tons of gyopos. Of all the gyopos I've met, at least 75% of them don't have any noticeable "accent" when speaking Korean. I am a gyopo myself and have met several "fresh off the boat" Koreans from Korea, and oftentimes they are flabbergasted when they hear me speak English without any accent, as they stereotypically thought I was just like them. |
Oh, REALLY?
You don't notice the accent and your fresh of the boat Korean friends from Korea don't notice the accent. However, I and many others do notice the Korean accent. Every gyopo I've met has it. |
Like I said, it depends on the gyopo. Your case is correct when the gyopo is brought up in a household that speaks Korean; that gyopo may be the first one in his family to achieve English fluency. However, 2nd and 3rd generation Korean-American families, whose household is and has been completely Americanized for generations, have no accent whatsoever. And if "fresh off the boat" Koreans or A.K.A Koreans in Korea don't notice the accent in gyopos, there doesn't seem to be a problem. |
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free_earth
Joined: 19 Jun 2015 Location: traveling U.S. Citizen
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:27 am Post subject: |
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As a gyopo, you can work a PART-time teaching job on your F visa without needing a federal level background check from your country. (Full-time jobs require the FBI check and medical check.) All you need is a local police check in Korea, instead, once you're a resident in Korea. That can be done in one day simply by signing a paper and letting your employer order it. That's what a recruiter told me. I'm not gyopo, but I'm F6. I have a clean FBI check, but it's over 90 days old and it was never apostilled. It takes so very long to get one from the FBI, at least 4 months, that I'd rather just go the Korean police check route. You can also do private tutoring. I tried to register my diploma, but no one in government could figure out what the heck I was talking about, and they just told my Korean husband that I didn't need to register anything. So I have no idea how to do the MOE thing. I also have no desire to work in public schools or teach full-time. I don't know if the part-time job thing applies to public schools, as well. But it should be very easy for you to find a hagwon job. Finding a hagwon that pays you properly and treats you better than dirt... good luck with that! |
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impressionn
Joined: 04 May 2012
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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An Update:
The District Attorney has agreed to drop my public intoxication charge.
Also, I also have been emailing a recruiting agency regarding the Ministry of Education stance on accepting my "blemished" FBI CBC.
The recruiting agency agreed to call the MoE on my behalf, and they have informed my recruiting agency that as long as its only a "public intoxication" charge, it is most likely acceptable and passable to legally teach English. |
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