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Gays march in deeply Catholic Poland

 
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Gays march in deeply Catholic Poland Reply with quote

It's about time!

Gays march in deeply Catholic Poland

by Mary Sibierski

WARSAW (AFP) � Thousands of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and supporters of equal rights for sexual minorities marched through the streets of Warsaw on Saturday, urging Poland's government to give homosexual partnerships legal status.

But they admitted legislation was not on the cards in the strongly Catholic country, where homosexuality is still a social taboo and relatively few people choose to be openly gay.

"We demand a civil partnership law," read a massive banner at the head of the colourful Europride parade which wound through the Polish capital in sweltering heat, close to 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit).

"We're hoping to open up a debate on the topic of affording legal status to the partnerships of gay and lesbian couples but we're not optimistic such legislation will be passed anytime soon," Jacek Adler, editor in chief of the www.gaylife.pl Polish gay lifestyle website, told AFP.

Opinion surveys show that 80 percent of Poles oppose gay marriage and 93 percent believe gay and lesbian couples should not have the right to adopt children. Two out of three Poles oppose gay demonstrations.

Saturday's event is the first time the annual Europride parade is being held in an ex-communist state. Last year's march, in Zurich, Switzerland, attracted some 50,000 people.

Marchers, some from as far away as Vancouver, Canada, jived along the route to hits by gay icon Kyle Minogue among others.

But it was more low-key affair than those in western Europe which also feature scantily clad revellers and drag queens.

"I don't think Poland is as homophobic as some people think it is, but for whatever reasons, people are still uncomfortable with the issue of homosexuality," Ken Coolen, director of Vancouver's gay pride parade told AFP.

"It's the midst of a change here in Poland, where more people are coming out," he said.

"We want to be in solidarity with Polish gay and lesbians and we want also to show the police in Poland that there is no problem to be openly gay in the police," Stockholm policeman Goran Stanton, who also serves as head of the Association of Gay Police of Sweden, told AFP.

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NovaKart



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for them. There was a pride parade in Istanbul a few weeks ago. Gays face a lot of opposition in Eastern Europe. In Serbia demonstrations are difficult because of attacks from, well what can I call them, thugs? These people marching really have guts. It's hard enough to be open in western countries.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NovaKart wrote:
Good for them. There was a pride parade in Istanbul a few weeks ago. Gays face a lot of opposition in Eastern Europe. In Serbia demonstrations are difficult because of attacks from, well what can I call them, thugs? These people marching really have guts. It's hard enough to be open in western countries.



Gays would be beaten up badly in Russia and the Balkans. It could also happen in Poland. Most Polish people consider gay people a threat to their society and the prevailing order. It's a highly religious country, and it finds gay parades a threat to that religiousity.
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NovaKart



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's certainly true but there are a few dedicated, courageous people who are trying to change that. My personal opinion which could be flawed is that this is less likely to change in Russia because Russia is becoming less open in a number of ways (I don't mean just about homosexuality). The Balkans is becoming more open.
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Quack Addict



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A parade to celebrate your personal preference for sex...why? What is the point?
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NovaKart



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try living as a gay person in a homophobic society and you'll quickly find out.
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Quack Addict



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NovaKart wrote:
Try living as a gay person in a homophobic society and you'll quickly find out.


http://asia.news.yahoo.com/afp/20100717/twl-poland-rights-gay-demo-4bdc673.html

I try and think of homos as normal...but dude...look at these guys..lol!
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NovaKart



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's sweet, I'm sure homos try to think of you as normal too.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quack Addict wrote:
A parade to celebrate your personal preference for sex...why? What is the point?


Taking issue with the sexuality of others, scorning them for it, condemning them for it, and even criminalizing them for it... why? What is the point?

The point of such parades, on the other hand, is to combat the above. The people who hate homosexuals (for whatever unfathomable reason) are loud, and willing to try to force their opinions on society via legislation. In a non-dictatorial society, where public opinion can strongly sway state policy, homosexuals are as such forced to be loud as well in order to maintain their rights (or, as the case may be, gain rights unjustly denied them).

I would rather these parades did not exist. I would also rather people didn't pointlessly antagonize homosexuals. The latter must end before the former can.
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The point of such parades, on the other hand, is to combat the above.


Does parading around in g-strings, leather chaps and S&M gear really help combat 'homophobia'?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigverne wrote:
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The point of such parades, on the other hand, is to combat the above.


Does parading around in g-strings, leather chaps and S&M gear really help combat 'homophobia'?


Yes, by making it mundane.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
bigverne wrote:
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The point of such parades, on the other hand, is to combat the above.


Does parading around in g-strings, leather chaps and S&M gear really help combat 'homophobia'?


Yes, by making it mundane.


But doesn't it potentially have the effect of only garnering the support of people who already supported their rights in the first place and revulsing those who were already against them?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
Fox wrote:
bigverne wrote:
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The point of such parades, on the other hand, is to combat the above.


Does parading around in g-strings, leather chaps and S&M gear really help combat 'homophobia'?


Yes, by making it mundane.


But doesn't it potentially have the effect of only garnering the support of people who already supported their rights in the first place and revulsing those who were already against them?


Hypothetically, but it's a lot harder to hate something that is open and mildly ridiculous than something that is secret and mysterious. I'm sure many anti-homosexual individuals will continue to be disgusted by homosexuality, but others will simply become apathetic.

In any case, as far as I'm concerned it's their risk to take.
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NovaKart



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those people don't represent all gays.
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