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hsaeoa
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
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 Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:36 pm Post subject: A New one |
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I was told by one of my students that Japan has better hot springs than Korea. She then told me this was due to Japan stealing Korea's hot spring water during their occupation.  |
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Senior
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe she was trying to use wry or off beat humor?
And really, who cares? If someone said something ignorant in your home town, would you post it on a forum with rolly eyes?
"Mexicans are taking all our jobs." |
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hsaeoa
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Maybe she was trying to use wry or off beat humor?
And really, who cares? If someone said something ignorant in your home town, would you post it on a forum with rolly eyes?
"Mexicans are taking all our jobs." |
I highly doubt an eleven year old knows wry or off beat humor.
If it bothers you that much why bother posting a reponse on a forum with rolly eyes? |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Actually this is a teaching moment. Japan was the one who introduced Hot Springs and Jimjilbang/Bath House to the culture. Before then most people just bathed in a local stream once in a while. When cities got bigger access to streams got difficult. Public bathing and that was considered not done by the culture. The first bathhouse where run by Japanese businessmen.
Reference: Dawn of Modern Korea Page 152 Chapter Title" The Chance to Bath" Sorry no online copy I looked. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Senior wrote: |
Maybe she was trying to use wry or off beat humor?
And really, who cares? If someone said something ignorant in your home town, would you post it on a forum with rolly eyes?
"Mexicans are taking all our jobs." |
All of our jobs? No. Many of our jobs and bringing wages down? Sure. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| conrad2 wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
Maybe she was trying to use wry or off beat humor?
And really, who cares? If someone said something ignorant in your home town, would you post it on a forum with rolly eyes?
"Mexicans are taking all our jobs." |
All of our jobs? No. Many of our jobs and bringing wages down? Sure. |
Completely off topic, but Mexicans doing those jobs cheaper is a net gain to the US.
Firstly, the number of jobs isn't a set finite number. People tend to forget that. It is possible for the total number of jobs to increase.
Which leads me to my main point. If some one is willing to do the job cheaper, yes it sucks for the person who used to be payed more to do it, but everyone else gains! The Mexican, the business owner and the consumer of the final product.
What does this mean? More jobs! There is now more surplus in the economy which will be spent on other things. Someone needs to provide these other goods. Which will mean more jobs and more of everything for everyone. The exact same is true of off shoring, eg call center operators to India.
Contrary to popular belief, cheaper goods and services are actually a good thing! |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| hsaeoa wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
Maybe she was trying to use wry or off beat humor?
And really, who cares? If someone said something ignorant in your home town, would you post it on a forum with rolly eyes?
"Mexicans are taking all our jobs." |
I highly doubt an eleven year old knows wry or off beat humor.
If it bothers you that much why bother posting a reponse on a forum with rolly eyes? |
Isn't that kind of the answer to your conundrum? 11 year olds are virtually retarded. If it bothers you so much, why bother posting it on a forum? |
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OculisOrbis
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Which leads me to my main point. If some one is willing to do the job cheaper, yes it sucks for the person who used to be payed more to do it, but everyone else gains! The Mexican, the business owner and the consumer of the final product.
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The guy who used to be paid more to do the job didnt gain and, I suspect, if he had a family, they didnt either - so no, not everyone else gained. Some people gained, some people lost. There's a trade-off for everything. But what really ticks many people off is that an American lost and a(n) (illegal?) foreigner came out ahead. I personally dont care because I'm neither American nor looking for an undercut job in the US.
And what's even better than 'someone' willing to do the job cheaper is 'everyone' willing to do the job cheaper.....so they close the American factory and re-open it in Mexico. Look! Everyone else benefits!
Last edited by OculisOrbis on Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:21 am; edited 3 times in total |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
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Which leads me to my main point. If some one is willing to do the job cheaper, yes it sucks for the person who used to be payed more to do it, but everyone else gains! The Mexican, the business owner and the consumer of the final product.
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The guy who used to be paid more to do the job didnt gain and, I suspect, if he had a family, they didnt either - so no, not everyone else gained. Some people gained, some people lost. There's a trade-off for everything. But what really ticks many people off is that an American lost and a(n) (illegal?) foreigner came out ahead. I personally dont care because I'm neither American nor looking for an undercut job in the US. |
I'm none of the last sentence either.
Re-read the passage you quoted, and you will see that I acknowledged the person who lost their job is in a worse situation. The net gain will be positive though. That is the nature of a free market and (mises says I have to preface that with "If we lived in a society that had access to sound currency and sound banking"), creative destruction. |
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OculisOrbis
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, I edited some of my post while you were writing yours (even though 'everyone else' doesnt include the original worker's family). I hope it addressed your concern. Sorry, I didnt get it up quicker. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
| Actually, I edited some of my post while you were writing yours (even though 'everyone else' doesnt include the original worker's family). I hope it addressed your concern. Sorry, I didnt get it up quicker. |
Cool.
Your edit still assumes that the number of jobs is finite. When a good becomes cheaper, it opens up surplus capital to produce other goods.
You're are looking at the effect on one group, but failing to see the effect on society as a whole. Don't do that. It's a mistake to make value judgment based on a tiny sector of the total economy. |
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OculisOrbis
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
| Actually, I edited some of my post while you were writing yours (even though 'everyone else' doesnt include the original worker's family). I hope it addressed your concern. Sorry, I didnt get it up quicker. |
Cool.
Your edit still assumes that the number of jobs is finite. When a good becomes cheaper, it opens up surplus capital to produce other goods.
You're are looking at the effect on one group, but failing to see the effect on society as a whole. Don't do that. It's a mistake to make value judgment based on a tiny sector of the total economy. |
What good are cheaper goods when the American consumers either A) no longer have jobs that pay as much as they used to, or B) no longer have jobs at all? Please explain how that is a net gain to anyone other than the executives and shareholders that dont actually produce anything?
Perhaps I also just illustrated why the gap between upper and lower class is increasing and the entire middle class is shrinking...... |
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hsaeoa
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| hsaeoa wrote: |
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Maybe she was trying to use wry or off beat humor?
And really, who cares? If someone said something ignorant in your home town, would you post it on a forum with rolly eyes?
"Mexicans are taking all our jobs." |
I highly doubt an eleven year old knows wry or off beat humor.
If it bothers you that much why bother posting a reponse on a forum with rolly eyes? |
Isn't that kind of the answer to your conundrum? 11 year olds are virtually retarded. If it bothers you so much, why bother posting it on a
forum? |
Just passing along another WTF story. That's all. You can lighten up now. |
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Steve_Rogers2008
Joined: 22 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
Actually this is a teaching moment. Japan was the one who introduced Hot Springs and Jimjilbang/Bath House to the culture. Before then most people just bathed in a local stream once in a while. When cities got bigger access to streams got difficult. Public bathing and that was considered not done by the culture. The first bathhouse where run by Japanese businessmen.
Reference: Dawn of Modern Korea Page 152 Chapter Title" The Chance to Bath" Sorry no online copy I looked. |
and 'The Most Interesting Man in the World' introduced the Nips to the snow monkeys. He pretty much taught the apes too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGWYI0dFgk0
In the words of the master, 'Stay thirsty, my friend.'  |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
| OculisOrbis wrote: |
| Actually, I edited some of my post while you were writing yours (even though 'everyone else' doesnt include the original worker's family). I hope it addressed your concern. Sorry, I didnt get it up quicker. |
Cool.
Your edit still assumes that the number of jobs is finite. When a good becomes cheaper, it opens up surplus capital to produce other goods.
You're are looking at the effect on one group, but failing to see the effect on society as a whole. Don't do that. It's a mistake to make value judgment based on a tiny sector of the total economy. |
What good are cheaper goods when the American consumers either A) no longer have jobs that pay as much as they used to, or B) no longer have jobs at all? Please explain how that is a net gain to anyone other than the executives and shareholders that dont actually produce anything?
Perhaps I also just illustrated why the gap between upper and lower class is increasing and the entire middle class is shrinking...... |
The 20% real unemployment rate in the states isn't caused by Mexicans taking all the gardening and house keeping jobs. |
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