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Howler Monkey



Joined: 12 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:25 am    Post subject: Economic Crash Reply with quote

I was reading a thread earlier that mentioned Korea is due for a big economic meltdown/crash in the coming year. Right now I work in China, I'm content here, but I want to make more money to go back to uni.

Weathering an economic tsunami in Korea is pretty much promising that'll kill my return to school plans.

Any thoughts on a possible market/economy collapse for the Land of 1000 Soju Vomit stains between my apartment and my school?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I would be more worried about Uncle Sam having an economic meltdown with its monstrous deficits.

At least Korea still has China as a major market.

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Howler Monkey



Joined: 12 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So things are looking fairly stable in Korea then?
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GwangjuParents



Joined: 31 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China's a big bubble waiting to pop.... no, wait... it's already popping...

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/07/ponzi-shark-loans-fuel-chinas-housing.html
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

South Korea�s economy probably grew for a sixth straight quarter in the three months to June, adding to evidence that Asia�s fourth-largest economy is withstanding risks to the global recovery.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-22/south-korea-economy-probably-outperformed-adding-to-pressure-on-rates.html
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brickabrack



Joined: 17 May 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just think which countries have not or are not having a bubble burst.
Minus Brazil.
SK is due. China has been brewing for some time. The U.S. has been battling theirs in the most futile manner. The EU is definitely not out of the dark.

I can see it happening in SK, but what will that mean in terms of savings. What currency are you converting to?

SK's housing bubbling is like the thing happening in China right now. Resistance is futile! Get back to the basics. Bartering, crafts, DIY.

Actually, saying that a bubble will burst in SK come November is like saying that the GDP will grow by 6%. Nobody really knows. Do some global finance research and don't listen to Dave's ESL forecasters.


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Howler Monkey



Joined: 12 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be converting to USD. Right now I just can't save enough in China to pay for school. One year in Korea and I'm set. I may well do that year, return to China to work at some cake Management job as a DoS in a backwater branch of the company I work for now and do the schooling bit.
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brier



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many have spoken of Korea's position as weak, but I think Korea will do just fine. Only wish the Korean government would let the housing bubbe deflate slowly. By Korea doing fine, I mean corporate Korea and all of its lackies.
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4 months left



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean gov't is trying to let the housing bubble deflate slowly by buying up apts.

Korean depends heavily on China and U.S. for trade, depends on how those countries do.

Disturbing headline from China released a few minutes ago.

China�s Banks Said to See Risks in 23% of $1.1 Trillion Loans


July 23 (Bloomberg) -- Chinese banks may struggle to recoup about 23 percent of the 7.7 trillion yuan ($1.1 trillion) they�ve lent to finance local government infrastructure projects, according to a person with knowledge of data collected by the nation�s regulator.

About half of all loans need to be serviced by secondary sources including guarantors because the ventures can�t generate sufficient revenue, the person said, declining to be identified because the information is confidential. The China Banking Regulatory Commission has told banks to write off non-performing project loans by the end of this year, the person said.

Commission Chairman Liu Mingkang said this week borrowing by the so-called local government financing vehicles may threaten the banking industry. The nation�s five-largest banks, including Agricultural Bank of China Ltd., plan to raise as much as $53.5 billion to replenish capital after the sector extended a record $1.4 trillion in credit last year.

Local governments set up the financing vehicles to fund projects such as highways and airports due to limits on their ability to directly borrow money. The central government this year restricted borrowing on concern money isn�t being used for viable projects.

Only 27 percent of the loans to the financing vehicles can be repaid in full by cash generated by the projects they funded, the person said.

Calls to the banking regulator�s press office in Beijing after business hours weren�t unanswered.

Ensure Repayment

China last month ordered local governments to ensure repayment and to concentrate on completing projects already under way. Financing units that fund only public projects and rely on the fiscal income of local governments to repay debt should stop spending, the State Council said June 13. Local governments have also been barred from guaranteeing loans taken by their financing vehicles.

To minimize losses during this reform, the banking regulator has ordered lenders to create teams to discuss loan repayments with local governments and protect the rights of creditors, the person said.

Chairman Liu said in April that inspectors would visit banks in the third quarter to check on loan reports that had to be submitted by the end of June. Those reports showed the banks had 7.7 trillion yuan of outstanding loans to the local financing vehicles at the end of last month, the person said.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Economic Crash Reply with quote

Howler Monkey wrote:
I was reading a thread earlier that mentioned Korea is due for a big economic meltdown/crash in the coming year.


Several financial experts predict that the Won is going to weaken against the dollar. One said it will lose 4.7% of its value. Another expected the Won to trade at 1265 to $1 by next quarter.
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Jeonmunka



Joined: 05 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean companies were close to Wall Street. Just pre-Lehman's demise one Korean company nearly bought it. And not dirt cheaply either.
I get the feeling Korea is/was very much stuck with junk bonds.
The property market in Seoul is quite inflated. But, pple are still paying.
The xrate has KRW so low, but pple are still exchanging ...
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeonmunka wrote:
Korean companies were close to Wall Street. Just pre-Lehman's demise one Korean company nearly bought it. And not dirt cheaply either.
I get the feeling Korea is/was very much stuck with junk bonds.
The property market in Seoul is quite inflated. But, pple are still paying.
The xrate has KRW so low, but pple are still exchanging ...


Yeah; I don't know if Korea's housing bubble will be too bad. It's *there*, but at the same time, this country is a completely closed system in terms of real estate. I mean, where the hell are you going to go? People are still getting married, and they still need a place to live. So there's already a VERY slow housing market in Korea in terms of people paying the asking price. But if it keeps going, prices will drop and drop and the places will at least recoup their losses.

I'm always shocked that, these days, no one is getting into Singles housing. I'm talking apartments for upwardly mobile people who aren't going to start a family till they're 30 or so but want more space/want to impress colleagues. I guess there's still too many people living at home.
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Vix



Joined: 18 Jun 2010
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop trying to predict the future, you'll rarely be right and its stressful!
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nstick13



Joined: 02 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Won may see difficulties in the next year if the US faces a double-dip recession. Simply put, when the economy goes down the toilet in the US, investors race to buy up US bonds, which makes the dollar stronger globally. Great if you're vacationing to Europe, terrible if you're working in Korea.

Korea will be fine largely because their government practices strong Keynesian principles--spending when times are bad and saving when they're good. Hence the point about buying apartments to slow a housing bubble burst.
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