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Seeking pre-Japanese occupation images of people on the road

 
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:03 am    Post subject: Seeking pre-Japanese occupation images of people on the road Reply with quote

I was in Jamshil the other day and came across this sign:

http://www.pagef30.com/2010/07/sign-in-jamshil-seoul-south-korea.html

Quote:
인간의 보행은 삶의 기본으로 신체 발달 특성과 어울려 편하고 안전해야 합니다. 그러나 우리나라의 '좌측보행'은 일제에 의해 강압적으로 바뀌어 우측성향을 가진 인간의 생활 편리성을 묵과한 채 오늘까지 이어져 왔습니다. - Walking is a basic part of life and has to be comfortable and safe in accordance with the developmental characteristics of the body. But Korea was forcefully changed during the Japanese occupation to one where people tend to walk on the left, and has continued until today to overlook comfort in the lives of people.


(English translation is mine)

So naturally I began looking for images of Seoul before the occupation to either confirm or deny the claim that it was the Japanese occupation that resulted in Koreans tending to drift to the left when walking on the sidewalk. I came across two images that show them somewhat on the left in the 19th century, but two images alone really isn't enough to prove anything. Anybody know of some more showing Koreans walking along the road back then? The veracity of a sign in Jamshil is riding on this.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photography was not very big pre-1905.

You will be hard pressed to find many if any photos prior to the occupation.

Those that may have existed would have had a hard time surviving to the present for any number of reasons not the least of which were the occupation itself and the Korean war after that.

Try the national archives. They may have some on file or display.

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notafbiagent



Joined: 31 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/seosu3/MYBLOG/yblog.html?fid=0&m=lc&p=9&tc=422&tt=1273264220&pc=5
has some really old pictures of Seoul pre-during-after Japanese occupation. Although most of the pictures do not depict people's walking tendencies, they clearly show, much like today, most people didn't really care and walked which ever side had less traffic, or at least in keeping with the direction others had chosen. Traffic, is traffic, and people generally tended to go with the flow.

The whole leftside is the wrongside thing is fairly recent and I wouldn't put much faith in the whole "unnatural" aspect of it. I say it has more to do with Koreans just not liking anything from the Japan occupation era. That and it's true most western countries standardized rightsided traffic and I don't see why Koreans, who've adopted the rightside traffic wouldn't want to implement it universally.

While it is true that the Japanese introduced leftside traffic, this is only because that's the way Japanese people organized it back in Japan and it was only natural for them to implement the same system in which ever country it happened to be occupying at the time. Leftside traffic was pretty popular in those days and utilized by a lot of the world powers of that time.

Personally I feel that those signs would have more merit if they slanted less to the "i-hate-imperial-japan" angle and more to the "lets all walk in a system since it's way more efficient" angle.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluelake might be able to help.
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hagwonnewbie



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A while back I found some good images of the Korean war on Flickr.
Very few during the occupation.
Nothing pre
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xuanzang wrote:
bluelake might be able to help.


He's not that old. Wink

But yeah, I guess that they walked mostly where they pleased.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try this site for some really old, even barbaric, photos of old Seoul:
http://www.seoul.go.kr/life/life/culture/history_book/picture_seoul1/

http://www.seoul.go.kr/life/life/culture/history_book/picture_seoul2/
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gipkik wrote:
Try this site for some really old, even barbaric, photos of old Seoul:
http://www.seoul.go.kr/life/life/culture/history_book/picture_seoul1/

http://www.seoul.go.kr/life/life/culture/history_book/picture_seoul2/

Wow. Just wow.
Thats an astonishing stroll through early photographed Korea. Thanks.

The first set (pre-occupation) does show a handful of shots suggesting right-hand traffic. The second set (post-) is clearly all left.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walk on the left side of what? All I see in the pre-colonial era photos is space between structures, but not roads
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Hobophobic



Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Japanese hadn't stolen and sold the idea for Henry Ford's model -T from the Korean's yet....get ye to a museum.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like pictures alone aren't going to solve this; as djsmnc mentioned the roads in these pictures are barely roads at all and they seem to show people adhering to both the left and the right. Either that or more or less open squares where there is no danger of people bumping into each other in the first place. Tentative conclusion: Koreans walked wherever before the occupation, after the occupation tend to go to the left but still don't have a general rule.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gipkik wrote:
Try this site for some really old, even barbaric, photos of old Seoul:
http://www.seoul.go.kr/life/life/culture/history_book/picture_seoul1/

http://www.seoul.go.kr/life/life/culture/history_book/picture_seoul2/


Thanks for that. Tough lives. Tough times.
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