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rchristo10
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 Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: Police as prostitution ring pimps? |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/08/117_70602.html
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By Park Si-soo
Staff reporter
A native English teacher was detained on suspicion of raping a barmaid, police said Sunday.
According to police, an America citizen, a native English teacher at a private language institute, is accused of sexually assaulting a Korean barmaid in a public restroom of a building in Dunsan-dong, Daejeon, at 3 a.m. Saturday.
Police said the victim didn�t want the investigation to go further in exchange for compensation from the American.
Under the law, police investigations into a rape case can only continue with the victim�s approval, meaning that the probe must be halted.
But police will inform the American�s workplace of the case to hold the offender accountable for his crime.
Earlier, a British man working in Seoul as a native English teacher was caught using his camcorder-functioned cell phone to record images of women�s underwear at Gangnam subway station, southern Seoul.
The 28-year-old was confirmed to have worked as an English teacher at an elementary school in Mapo, Seoul, police said. Police found nearly 100 photos and two other video clips showing unidentified women�s underwear on his phone.
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Is it just me or did others hear: prostitution, police harrassment, and irresponsible journalism muffled between the lines here? 
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detourne_me
Joined: 26 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Are you on crack buddy?
I'd say maybe there's irresponsible journalism at work here combining the two unrelated stories.
But the fact that a drunk dude assaulted a girl (who doesn't want to press charges) really doesn't equate to police sanctioned prostitution. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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anyway, has nothing to do with children, or his work!
a guy trying to get a girl home and he went to far..
nothing like the guy who kidnapped that child last week from her school!
who was a KOREAN!
child sex crimes are the highest in the world! in korea! |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| detourne_me wrote: |
| But the fact that a drunk dude assaulted a girl |
ALLEGEDLY. The actual facts will never come out now because the cops won't investigate anything once someone requests blood money. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| detourne_me wrote: |
Are you on crack buddy?
I'd say maybe there's irresponsible journalism at work here combining the two unrelated stories.
But the fact that a drunk dude assaulted a girl (who doesn't want to press charges) really doesn't equate to police sanctioned prostitution. |
Allowing a woman (or man) to receive monetary compensation for rape/ sexual assault is institutionalized prostitution (not your misnomer: "police sanctioned prostitution"). It's no different than when we allow a company to forgo paying its workers and peg it institutionalized slavery or when we allow the guilty to go unpunished for racial discrimination and refer to it as institutionalized (sometimes incorrectly over-generalized as "systemic" ) racism.
Though I honestly do feel bad for the woman involved, allowing her to accept monetary compensation without a trial/ investigation is a form of prostitution burgeoning on possible blackmail. (?=was the accused drunk or the barmaid or neither  )
And if that's not enough, taking the case further after the under-the-table settlement is clearly a case of police harrassment or police irresponsibility (you take your pick).
In the future, try to realize that your difficulty with solving the inference question section of most secondary school standardized tests has more to do with the state of your mind and not necessary the state of other people's.
To put it more directly (for your sake): No, I'm not on crack, pal.  ㅋㅋㅋ |
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Koveras
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Well it's her choice if she wants to press charges or get payed. |
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The Gipkik
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| Well it's her choice if she wants to press charges or get payed. |
I think the point is that it shouldn't be a choice. In fact, criminal acts, accidents shouldn't be appraised in dollars and cents at all. At least not until these acts have gone through due process. Otherwise, it descends into fear mongering, blackmail, personal evaluations and petty recriminations.
I didn't read anything in the article about the police verifying the accusation, about witnesses, about circumstances, about an ongoing investigation. All I'm reading is that they are taking the bar maid's word for it and that's that. What kind of bar maid, exactly? Not that I'm condoning sexual assault or rape by any means. They are reprehensible crimes. But what did the police do here? Extract a confession from the perpetrator? I have no idea. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| The Gipkik wrote: |
I think the point is that it shouldn't be a choice. In fact, criminal acts, accidents shouldn't be appraised in dollars and cents at all. At least not until these acts have gone through due process. |
Exactly.
I've nothing against civil crimes being subject to lawsuits.
But otherwise, the whole point of police action is to take criminals off the streets so that they can't harm the public again.
What if you get a rapist who is loaded with cash? he just pays his way out and has another go.
It also disturbs me that a woman who was raped doesn't mind har attacker going free so long as she gets some cash. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| She was sexually assaulted, we don't know if that is rape, or groping, or whatever. |
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Young FRANKenstein
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| She was sexually assaulted |
Allegedly. |
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Koveras
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| The Gipkik wrote: |
| Koveras wrote: |
| Well it's her choice if she wants to press charges or get payed. |
I think the point is that it shouldn't be a choice. In fact, criminal acts, accidents shouldn't be appraised in dollars and cents at all. At least not until these acts have gone through due process. Otherwise, it descends into fear mongering, blackmail, personal evaluations and petty recriminations.
I didn't read anything in the article about the police verifying the accusation, about witnesses, about circumstances, about an ongoing investigation. All I'm reading is that they are taking the bar maid's word for it and that's that. What kind of bar maid, exactly? Not that I'm condoning sexual assault or rape by any means. They are reprehensible crimes. But what did the police do here? Extract a confession from the perpetrator? I have no idea. |
It's my understanding that blood money negotiations require the consent of both parties, meaning that the suspect can demand an investigation if he believes it would exonerate him. Besides, don't you think that in conservative countries like Korea the stigma against spoiled women would by and large prevent spurious claims? |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
It's my understanding that blood money negotiations require the consent of both parties, meaning that the suspect can demand an investigation if he believes it would exonerate him. Besides, don't you think that in conservative countries like Korea the stigma against spoiled women would by and large prevent spurious claims? |
Investigations and foreigners here don't really mix well, because believe it or not the police here are just as shaddy (when it comes to foreigners) as the police back in my own country--The US.
And forgive me for arguing over semantics, but in terms of "conservative" countries, Korea's by far more disillusioned (in their battle to maintain tradition in the face of modernity) than conservative, which often makes them appear waywardly backward to the outside world. Perhaps you meant something else, but being conservative doesn't necessarily mean holding onto tradition for me. But regardless, I don't see how the "conservative argument" can be useful when it comes to maintaining law and order. There's still a sexual deviant amongst us. (If he's in fact guilty).
And perhaps I'm overgeneralizing here, but I'd think a barmaid would likely fall far from the mark in terms of your categorization of fitting in the group of "spoiled women." But hey, I could be wrong.  |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| It's my understanding that blood money negotiations require the consent of both parties |
Your understanding would be wrong. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
| Koveras wrote: |
It's my understanding that blood money negotiations require the consent of both parties, meaning that the suspect can demand an investigation if he believes it would exonerate him. Besides, don't you think that in conservative countries like Korea the stigma against spoiled women would by and large prevent spurious claims? |
Investigations and foreigners here don't really mix well, because believe it or not the police here are just as shaddy (when it comes to foreigners) as the police back in my own country--The US. |
I'm sure that's true about foreigners. I meant in general.
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| And perhaps I'm overgeneralizing here, but I'd think a barmaid would likely fall far from the mark in terms of your categorization of fitting in the group of "spoiled women." But hey, I could be wrong. |
I'm not calling barmaids spoiled women, I'm calling raped women spoiled women, and suggesting that in conservative (traditional, backward, whatever) countries like Korea that stigma would be enough to prevent most spurious rape allegations, thus making blood money a feasible custom in this context, and not prone to abuse as others have said.
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Koveras wrote: |
| It's my understanding that blood money negotiations require the consent of both parties |
Your understanding would be wrong. |
Since blood money customs operate outside the official law, how does the 'victim' party force the other party to pay up, unless a contract is agreed to by both parties? If on the other hand you had said that once the victim party demands money the other party has no right to demand an official investigation, that might have been a fruitful argument. In any case if you have anything substantial to add, just add it, there's no need for the cleverness. |
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