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PatrickBateman



Joined: 08 Jun 2009
Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:18 am    Post subject: Question about discipline... Reply with quote

I'm only bringing this up because of a situation that happened last week.

What can you do in terms of discipline at your school? At ours, we have very little leverage. It has become somewhat frustrating, so I'm wondering what techniques work best for you?

Also, you're never really told where 'the line' is when it comes to touching the kids. I'm not talking about harming them, but I always thought that you're not supposed to touch them in any manner. I asked my friend who teaches at a different academy and he told me he has no problem picking a kid up and moving them.

Of course you're not supposed to hit a child, but what do you do when they're not reacting to anything vocal and continue to disrupt the classroom?

Example.... This kid was holding on to his book that I told him to give me, he was holding on to it rather tight. Now, if I rip the book away from the kid, he's going to go flying with the book. Would I be at fault for that?

I guess what I'm asking is, where is the line? What can you/can't you do?

Also, do the parents usually side with the school or the child?
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't touch the kids? We're in Korea, not the States. I've never heard of anything like that here. My kids are all over me all day, kinders and elementary.
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ChilgokBlackHole



Joined: 21 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pick up the chair, with the student in it. Move it where you want it to be. Put it down.
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laguna



Joined: 27 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChilgokBlackHole wrote:
Pick up the chair, with the student in it. Move it where you want it to be. Put it down.


If they don't move, this works well.

We also have designated people to discipline the kids (koreans of course). When the kids get to the point I can't handle them, I walk out of the room and get one of these people.
Sometimes they get scolded in Korean, sometimes their parents get called, in particularly bad cases they get hit (never witnessed it, just seen the marks).
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:51 am    Post subject: Re: Question about discipline... Reply with quote

PatrickBateman wrote:
what do you do when they're not reacting to anything vocal and continue to disrupt the classroom?
Tell them to get out. Point to the door and raise your voice louder and louder. If they don't get the hint then escort them by the shirt collar to the door. I usually have to do it four or five times in the first couple of months, never more than once per kid (except one abnormal guy half a decade ago). The last six to eight months of a year are clear sailing, they realizing who's boss of the classroom and what is tolerated and what isn't. I am talking about elementary school aged hagwon classes of 8 to 12 students. I dunno about other ages and practices, just what works like a charm where I have been. Whatever context, set the boundaries right away and maintain them. You'll be respected and even liked for doing so. Classroom managament is the one skill newbies teachers often have trouble at. I've seen two ex-military guys completely flub up classroom discipline like Arnie in Kindergarten Cop. "It's not a tumor!"
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PatrickBateman



Joined: 08 Jun 2009
Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No don't get me wrong, I play around with them and they jump on me etc, but that's not what I'm getting at.

Our director told us we're no longer allowed to kick the student out of class.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickBateman wrote:
No don't get me wrong, I play around with them and they jump on me etc, but that's not what I'm getting at.

Our director told us we're no longer allowed to kick the student out of class.


They told us that too. Just make them stand up, it works almost as well.

If that doesn't work, try the Bart Simpson method and make them write something repeatedly (like 50-100 times), during their break time if they have one. I've found that regardless of a student's age, they absolutely hate the task of repetitive writing.
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cricketnut



Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:24 am    Post subject: don't touch Reply with quote

I'd advise anyone on here to be careful about touching kids..

I'm not sure about when things are going well..

but when things are heated...Don't touch them.

First of all tell the kid to leave if it's getting bad (eg moving them/embarrassing them/threatening extra homework etc hasn't worked)

say something like "5 minutes" of "Obun" in Korean if it's younger classes.

That way, the kids understanding you only want them to lave for short time..not indefintely. Sometimes they will leave..if they don't..then get the korean teacher. At that point...say something like "I'll love to continue teaching this class once johnny is outside the class talking to you"
to the korean teacher. This is where you really want a korean teacher to back you up..some will..some won't. I had an experience where at that point the korean teacher started asking open questions to the offender, still seated, (rolls eyes) and no joke..the rest of the 15 mins of the class
was the korean teacher and offender talking LOL. Luckily the other korean teachers at the school understood about just getting the kid out of the class so I can continue my teaching.

Once the kid is outside, try to settle the class and try moving on..and importantly..at some point as for the kid back.
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cricketnut



Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickBateman wrote:


Our director told us we're no longer allowed to kick the student out of class.


Hey man, that's unfortunate, My first boss looking back was actually excellent, he let me chuck out kids occasionally as he kinda undrstood as he did some teaching himself. It worked well..I did it the first few months a few times and I'm gald I did or else it would have meant kaos later.
There will come a time where it reallys needs to happen if you have a pretty bad student, I'd just do it..what are they going to do? sack you for chucking a disruptive kid out for 5 mins?
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son of coco



Joined: 14 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the kids get really bad then I just chuck them out too. I don't see the point in wasting time on one student when the others are there being good and ready to do something in English.

Your director not allowing this sucks, maybe chuck yourself out and tell him/her you'll be happy to go back in when something's done about the disruptive student.

Also found pointing out to students of a higher level that I get paid to stand there and do nothing if they want to waste time, while they're paying to waste time, works ok too.
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