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cricketnut



Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:39 am    Post subject: Public schools Korea>disqualified "double submission Reply with quote

Hi Everyone,

I am(was) really keen on trying public schools this year.

EPIK rejected my original application because not enuff info on references
that's ok ..that's not the issue....what comes up next is>

I decided to apply the local province public school branch.
I don't know the processes there so I though using two recruiters would be fine..I applied through both of them etc..
They are'nt so hung up on ref letters, they like to ring bosses etc...

anyway..talking to recruiters..no-one ever told me using "two recruiters"
was "against the rules". I tend to not tell recruiter of my goings on with
other recruiters , one reason is politeness.

so I think everything is normal..well come july..good news..I have interview for a job says one recruiter...cool happy with that.

I'm really happy to have an opportunity.

later the other recruiter rings and says I have an interview for another job

well...to cut long story short..I did well on first job interview and yey, offered position( i will take it of course)..next day..I want to email the
other recruiter to say cancel the second interview....
next thing I'm getting emails from everyone saying i've been disquailified.

Flaming me is welcome on here...I thought two recruiters was perfect number.

personally I'm pretty sad as I would give all in a PB job.

I'm posting this as a warning to everyone..make sure you only apply
one time to any public school office in Korea. I didn't read this rule anywhere , recruiters didn't tell me anything..

So yeah...Apply just once..eg fill out the app just once,
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butter_opera



Joined: 07 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a bummer! But there are places on the web that warn you not to use more than one recruiter for public schools. Next time use 1 for each public school program you are applying to. (i.e. GEPIK, EPIK, Gangwan-do EPIK, etc)

Good luck to you!
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cricketnut



Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

butter_opera wrote:
That is a bummer! But there are places on the web that warn you not to use more than one recruiter for public schools. Next time use 1 for each public school program you are applying to. (i.e. GEPIK, EPIK, Gangwan-do EPIK, etc)

Good luck to you!


Thanks for replying butter_opera,

Recruiters especially need to inform clients of this...had either of the
recruiters I dealt with mentioned this rule I would have withdrawn
either of my applications immediately.

Vague and hidden info on the web..eg posts like my one warning people
is not good enough.

It needs to be on the application form you fill out.
eg "ONLY ONE APPLICATION ELSE DISQUALIFICATION"

and I wouldn't have put in a second application.

put simply> I was disqualified by a rule I didn't know about until I was disqualified.

After the event(my disqualifcation) the recruiter talked about how many
people had been disqualified 2009, 2008 etc due to two applications, thus didn't get an interview...so there may well be hundreds of people wondering why they didn't get an interview?..well..
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a load of bull. It shouldn't matter whom you apply with as long as the school or academy likes you. I wonder if recruiters set this up to punich you for using someone else.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two points. DO NOT EXPECT LOGIC in Korea especially with the government! Sorry thems the rules and you broke them. I agree it is stupid.

Also cricketnut looking at your amount of posts you have post only nine messages in over a year on this board. Myself I do not teach at a PS but for over two years I have read countless times DO NOT APPLY for PS jobs with more then one recruiter. Even recruiters have told people not to do it.

Now if you had actually during this last year looked at eslcafe.com more then a couple of times you might have learned that rule. Its a shame that you learned it the HARD way!

Come one people looking at Job Related and General Discussion about 3 times a week for thirty min will significantly improve your life!
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,

Don't use more than 1 recruiter for public schools.
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buildbyflying



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: To your right. No, your other right.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For every person that says "don't use more than one recruiter, fwap fwap, fwap..." I'm going to kill three kittens and a baby seal. I mean it.

Recruiters are notoriously flaky and generally in disrepute (with exceptions) amongst the ESL community for a reason. I've used more than one recruiter and it's saved my butt as recently as this year.

This should be yet another argument for why recruiters are considered the shady b/tards they are. Of course hard working field hands get a nice pat on the head for not naysaying the lord of their fiefdom.
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cricketnut



Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies guys,

I'm keen to move on now..I'll just try private academies for a good year

and remember to get a reference written before I ask for the severence pay.

That way I'll have at least two good references so EPIK I will try next year
and go through one recruiter.

thanks again,
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buildbyflying wrote:
For every person that says "don't use more than one recruiter, fwap fwap, fwap..." I'm going to kill three kittens and a baby seal. I mean it.

Recruiters are notoriously flaky and generally in disrepute (with exceptions) amongst the ESL community for a reason. I've used more than one recruiter and it's saved my butt as recently as this year.

This should be yet another argument for why recruiters are considered the shady b/tards they are. Of course hard working field hands get a nice pat on the head for not naysaying the lord of their fiefdom.



I assume it's so they don't get swarmed with the same application 10 times....they're not exactly thorough...someone turned down could apply again via a different recruiter and make it in.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can remember my application process, so I'd like to chime in on what you could/should have done...

First thing, using more than one recruiter is okay. I have used 5 when applying for the job I have now. So many recruiters can't be trusted to handle the most basic information. They are also not very prompt. Unfortunately for you, you must have gotten two diligent recruiters. One of them may not have been on the up & up.

Next thing, if you only had one interview- and you didn't fill out paperwork, then how could you be disqualified? It could simply be a case of one recruiter lying to another saying "You know cricketnut is blahblahblah and that's why you shouldn't work with him/her". And we all know how the locals believe each other before they listen to the outsiders. I'd say keep trying, and be aware, the recruiter may have put you on a blacklist. Try another place and tell them what you want, explain your situation, eventually someone will want to help you (and earn MONEY).

Good luck
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foreignerjoy



Joined: 27 May 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:41 am    Post subject: You can in the off season Reply with quote

Using one recruiter is required when applying to EPIK or SMOE and GEPIK. But only for when you are going the official route. Meaning applying for the seasonal hiring. In February and September (when school semesters start).

When you are looking for an off-season position you can use many recruiters. This is when a public school is hiring say in December.

THe application process is for the major hiring season. You put it in and then you will randomly be placed at a school in your preference area. It is not for you to apply to a direct school.

When you see on the job board a position for a job in GEPIK say in Bundang and is hiring in October. YOu can use that recruiter. Along with another recruiter advertising something similiar.
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Viilentore



Joined: 12 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Thingscomearound, how can one find and check if they are on a recruiter's blacklist?
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThingsComeAround wrote:
I can remember my application process, so I'd like to chime in on what you could/should have done...

First thing, using more than one recruiter is okay. I have used 5 when applying for the job I have now. So many recruiters can't be trusted to handle the most basic information. They are also not very prompt. Unfortunately for you, you must have gotten two diligent recruiters. One of them may not have been on the up & up.

Next thing, if you only had one interview- and you didn't fill out paperwork, then how could you be disqualified? It could simply be a case of one recruiter lying to another saying "You know cricketnut is blahblahblah and that's why you shouldn't work with him/her". And we all know how the locals believe each other before they listen to the outsiders. I'd say keep trying, and be aware, the recruiter may have put you on a blacklist. Try another place and tell them what you want, explain your situation, eventually someone will want to help you (and earn MONEY).

Good luck


Good advice. Some recruiters are better than others. My only advice is that once you get serious with one good recruiter about a specific school, try to follow through. That shows you are serious. Otherwise, it looks like you are not serious. This can be a big deal, especially if you are NOT in Korea. Even good recruiters may get wary of giving you a good school if they think you are playing. In other words, act like an adult and get treated like an adult. This involves a job and you should treat it very seriously.
On the other hand, if a recruiter ever lies to you about anything, find another recruiter. One lie is one lie too many.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: Public schools Korea>disqualified "double submis Reply with quote

cricketnut wrote:
EPIK rejected my original application because not enuff info on references

I wouldn't apply to epik. They post up all your private detailed info on the net.
Just look at the level of personal detail they require and the statement on top that they will post it to the web.
http://www.educonus.com/6.html

this means that everything about you becomes easily known by anyone who does a google search on you. No concept of privacy.
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WillTurnerinVanCity



Joined: 05 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cricketnut wrote:

Recruiters especially need to inform clients of this...had either of the
recruiters I dealt with mentioned this rule I would have withdrawn
either of my applications immediately.


As a recruiter (I work for Footprints) I find this to be an interesting comment. We generally make an effort to inform our teachers that they can only apply through one recruiter for the public schools, because we don't want all of our efforts to be for nothing, either. We want you to get the job because if we don't place you, we don't do any busines.

I see a lot of posts on Dave's about how teachers should "use" recruiters in the sense that you should just apply around to 10, 15, 20 recruiters, however many you want. I'm sure you can understand how, as a recruiter, we would prefer if you worked with one at a time (though we realize that isn't realistic).

Given that it is the teacher who is using the recruiters, all 10-20 of them, whose responsibility is it to ensure that you don't apply through multiple recruiters for EPIK?

My opinion is biased, naturally, but I'm interested in hearing all of yours.
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