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Criminal Charges and Securing a Job in South Korea

 
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zcbutle33



Joined: 04 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Criminal Charges and Securing a Job in South Korea Reply with quote

Hi, I have a question regarding job placement in Korea. In a few weeks I head to Thailand to receive my TEFL certification. Once I get back, I hope to secure a job as soon as I possible. Here lies my dilemma � I received two DWIs in 2006 and 2007. I absolutely regret these transgressions, however there is nothing I can do about them now. I have already sent away for my FBI criminal background check (should have that back in 10 weeks) and am wondering if this was pointless. A couple weeks ago I actually made it past a phone interview with a recruiter and almost had the job in Korea until I was informed that I was no longer a candidate due to the DWIs. I have also been emailing back and forth with a representative at a public school in Korea and once again I was informed that I was no longer a candidate. I know the chances of teaching in South Korea are slim to none�actually probably none, but I was hoping someone might be able to offer some insight as to where I could teach if Korea is not an option. I guess the big questions are � Is it impossible for me to secure a teaching position in Korea? If it is, where is the next best place to look for a job?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Criminal Charges and Securing a Job in South Korea Reply with quote

zcbutle33 wrote:
Hi, I have a question regarding job placement in Korea. In a few weeks I head to Thailand to receive my TEFL certification. Once I get back, I hope to secure a job as soon as I possible. Here lies my dilemma � I received two DWIs in 2006 and 2007. I absolutely regret these transgressions, however there is nothing I can do about them now. I have already sent away for my FBI criminal background check (should have that back in 10 weeks) and am wondering if this was pointless. A couple weeks ago I actually made it past a phone interview with a recruiter and almost had the job in Korea until I was informed that I was no longer a candidate due to the DWIs. I have also been emailing back and forth with a representative at a public school in Korea and once again I was informed that I was no longer a candidate. I know the chances of teaching in South Korea are slim to none�actually probably none, but I was hoping someone might be able to offer some insight as to where I could teach if Korea is not an option. I guess the big questions are � Is it impossible for me to secure a teaching position in Korea? If it is, where is the next best place to look for a job?


With your DWI's Korea is no longer an option. A visa will not be granted with a positive finding your your FBI CBC.

The same will be true of Taiwan and Vietnam.

Japan (cbc not required) may be an option as may China (varies depending on where you are headed and where you apply for your visa from).

You won't get a "B" visa for Thailand while you are in North America (they also require a clean CBC) but you may be able to get one from within SE Asia.

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DingleBerryLarry



Joined: 06 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SK won't accept anyone with DWIs as they consider this a serious crime (even though several of my korean coworkers drive drunk on a regualar basis). However, there is a loophole. You can get a criminal check from a different state. I'm not sure exactly how this loophole works, as they would probably question why the state in your address doesn't match your criminal records check. But, I know that some people have used this loophole to get into a teaching job. But, this loophole will be filled in soon, I think by Jan. 2011 they will require an FBI check.
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mcviking



Joined: 24 Mar 2009
Location: 'Fantastic' America

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you already answered your own questions. Sorry OP.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend was actually able to get a visa with a DWI showing up on his CBC. His recruiter had him write a letter explaining the situation and apologizing. I think the incident happened some time ago, however, and the fact that he's a certified teacher and has been teaching for years may have worked in his favor with the visa folks, as he clearly wasn't another waigukin coming over here with more of an intention to get trashed than to teach.
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DingleBerryLarry wrote:
SK won't accept anyone with DWIs as they consider this a serious crime (even though several of my korean coworkers drive drunk on a regualar basis). However, there is a loophole. You can get a criminal check from a different state. I'm not sure exactly how this loophole works, as they would probably question why the state in your address doesn't match your criminal records check. But, I know that some people have used this loophole to get into a teaching job. But, this loophole will be filled in soon, I think by Jan. 2011 they will require an FBI check.


ugh!
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overall you are screwed. It fills in the Koreans top scary criminal record worries - drugs, alcohol, or sex.

Maybe if you have the time you could try for a PARDON or an EXPUNGEMENT. But that would likely have to be done in country of where you are from.

Good Luck!
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murmanjake



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the old rules, "my friend" got a state-wide CBC and it was clean. Got the visa and worked here for a year.

Thing is he'd made a bit of a misstep in college and was arrested, but the charges were dismissed.

Now he wants to work here again, come January.

He's looked into the FBI check, and it seems that ANY arrest where a subject was fingerprinted will show, but will the disposition show as well? If it shows as dismissed will that matter to Korean immigration, or is he just screwed?
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akcrono



Joined: 11 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Story that should answer your questions:

I had 2 arrests back in the states several years ago. One was for driving with a suspended license (clerical error), the other was for attempted arson (friend lit a firework in an apartment building and I was with him whern he got arrested). Both times led to dismissal.

I applied for JET 2 years ago and was rejected. While they didn't give a reason, it was most likely the arrests. So when it came time to apply to Korea, I went to the the court to see what could be done.

Turns out, you can get your record sealed. You have to go to the court(s) you went to before and plead your case before a judge. Just let them know that you need your records sealed for a job. Say you've been well behaved since your transgressions and represent no further risk. If the judge seals your records, it will show no record on your background check.

I have 2 copies of my background check: one with 2 pages of charges, and the new one that says I have no record. I know there is a waiting period before you can get convictions sealed, but I'm not sure how long. The procedure not only varies by state, but also by court. However, it is well worth your time to get it sealed, as it can protect you from further scruteny in the future.

Best of luck!
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murmanjake



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

akcrono wrote:
Story that should answer your questions:

I had 2 arrests back in the states several years ago. One was for driving with a suspended license (clerical error), the other was for attempted arson (friend lit a firework in an apartment building and I was with him whern he got arrested). Both times led to dismissal.

I applied for JET 2 years ago and was rejected. While they didn't give a reason, it was most likely the arrests. So when it came time to apply to Korea, I went to the the court to see what could be done.

Turns out, you can get your record sealed. You have to go to the court(s) you went to before and plead your case before a judge. Just let them know that you need your records sealed for a job. Say you've been well behaved since your transgressions and represent no further risk. If the judge seals your records, it will show no record on your background check.

I have 2 copies of my background check: one with 2 pages of charges, and the new one that says I have no record. I know there is a waiting period before you can get convictions sealed, but I'm not sure how long. The procedure not only varies by state, but also by court. However, it is well worth your time to get it sealed, as it can protect you from further scruteny in the future.

Best of luck!


Great information.

Thanks
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zcbutle33



Joined: 04 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

akcrono wrote:
Story that should answer your questions:

I had 2 arrests back in the states several years ago. One was for driving with a suspended license (clerical error), the other was for attempted arson (friend lit a firework in an apartment building and I was with him whern he got arrested). Both times led to dismissal.

I applied for JET 2 years ago and was rejected. While they didn't give a reason, it was most likely the arrests. So when it came time to apply to Korea, I went to the the court to see what could be done.

Turns out, you can get your record sealed. You have to go to the court(s) you went to before and plead your case before a judge. Just let them know that you need your records sealed for a job. Say you've been well behaved since your transgressions and represent no further risk. If the judge seals your records, it will show no record on your background check.

I have 2 copies of my background check: one with 2 pages of charges, and the new one that says I have no record. I know there is a waiting period before you can get convictions sealed, but I'm not sure how long. The procedure not only varies by state, but also by court. However, it is well worth your time to get it sealed, as it can protect you from further scruteny in the future.

Best of luck!


Thanks to all for your responses. I checked with a local attorney today and she said sealing a criminal charge was the same thing as expunging one in the state of Arkansas. Sad to say you can't expunge/seal a DWI in Arkansas. I have been checking out some of the schools in Japan and luckily there are quite a few. It looks like AEON and GEOS are the larger schools while WinBe, GABA, and ECC are some of the smaller ones. I realize this is a Korean discussion board, but I was hoping someone might be able to provide some insight into any of these schools. I am still looking at other countries, but it looks like the benefits to teach in Japan outweigh most of the other Asian countries' benefits. Thanks again to all who replied and I look forward to any input one might have on teaching in Japan.
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cert43



Joined: 17 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan-Good Luck with that..

Can you qualify for a Working Holiday Visa or self-sponser residency permit?

If not, then your prob just SOL

Try China ( at least you'll be able to learn Manadrain and become more marketable in that aspect) Very Happy Very Happy

I suggest you not say anymore about DWI and just try the other posters idea of a different state.
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Quack Addict



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar problem. I got arrested for stealing pumpkins in 1994. It showed up on my state criminal background check. Immigration nixed my app for that transgression. I then got an FBI background check and it was clean. So here i am in Korea.

One of my options for my state was to get the incident expunged. I actually did that just for fun (don't need any silly incident from 16 years ago hanging around). But there was a 3 year waiting period from the time of the incident. I think you fall into that. Give it a try.

If you have ever lived in another state and didn't get in trouble then try there. I lived in Arizona and Hawaii and they both don't have state background checks. They refer you to the federal. But most states offer a background check. Best of luck.
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