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CSlinguist



Joined: 11 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:54 am    Post subject: To settle or not to settle? Reply with quote

So starting out like most potential ESL teachers I only wanted a PS position in Seoul, now that most deadlines have long gone along with most of those bright and shiny Seoul positons, I opened up to living in Gyeonggido but ONLY if it was in a metropolitan city less than 40 mins from Seoul via subway. My recruiter set me up with a position in Icheon (not Incheon) which was too rural for my taste and too far from Seoul. So I turned down that position and now I've got a job offer for a PS in Osan, which is slightly closer to Seoul maybe 50 mins by bus and a lil over an hr by subway, and close to Suwon and Songtan. Now the problem is, should I settle for the position even though its in an area I'm not jazzed about? I don't know if holding out for a closer area (like Bucheon, Bundang, hell even Anyang) is a good idea this late in the game? Also the position starts Sep 29th which kind of eliminates me from trying for SMOE next yr since my contract wouldn't end in time to start with them in August...

So the question is: To settle or not to settle? Granted I do have a slight edge in that I have a BA in Linguistics/ Psychology and I have been studying Korean for 4 years. I'm also female but not Caucasian which has been something of a downfall for me unfortunately. Any advice would be greatly appreciated I need to accept or decline soon!
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tophatcat



Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: To settle or not to settle? Reply with quote

CSlinguist wrote:
So starting out like most potential ESL teachers I only wanted a PS position in Seoul, now that most deadlines have long gone along with most of those bright and shiny Seoul positons, I opened up to living in Gyeonggido but ONLY if it was in a metropolitan city less than 40 mins from Seoul via subway. My recruiter set me up with a position in Icheon (not Incheon) which was too rural for my taste and too far from Seoul. So I turned down that position and now I've got a job offer for a PS in Osan, which is slightly closer to Seoul maybe 50 mins by bus and a lil over an hr by subway, and close to Suwon and Songtan. Now the problem is, should I settle for the position even though its in an area I'm not jazzed about? I don't know if holding out for a closer area (like Bucheon, Bundang, hell even Anyang) is a good idea this late in the game? Also the position starts Sep 29th which kind of eliminates me from trying for SMOE next yr since my contract wouldn't end in time to start with them in August...

So the question is: To settle or not to settle? Granted I do have a slight edge in that I have a BA in Linguistics/ Psychology and I have been studying Korean for 4 years. I'm also female but not Caucasian which has been something of a downfall for me unfortunately. Any advice would be greatly appreciated I need to accept or decline soon!


Just my opinion: Take the sure thing. Get some experience. Save up some coin. Next year should be golden for you. It's just my opinion.
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SunDevil Dre



Joined: 07 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: To settle or not to settle? Reply with quote

CSlinguist wrote:
So starting out like most potential ESL teachers I only wanted a PS position in Seoul, now that most deadlines have long gone along with most of those bright and shiny Seoul positons, I opened up to living in Gyeonggido but ONLY if it was in a metropolitan city less than 40 mins from Seoul via subway. My recruiter set me up with a position in Icheon (not Incheon) which was too rural for my taste and too far from Seoul. So I turned down that position and now I've got a job offer for a PS in Osan, which is slightly closer to Seoul maybe 50 mins by bus and a lil over an hr by subway, and close to Suwon and Songtan. Now the problem is, should I settle for the position even though its in an area I'm not jazzed about? I don't know if holding out for a closer area (like Bucheon, Bundang, hell even Anyang) is a good idea this late in the game? Also the position starts Sep 29th which kind of eliminates me from trying for SMOE next yr since my contract wouldn't end in time to start with them in August...

So the question is: To settle or not to settle? Granted I do have a slight edge in that I have a BA in Linguistics/ Psychology and I have been studying Korean for 4 years. I'm also female but not Caucasian which has been something of a downfall for me unfortunately. Any advice would be greatly appreciated I need to accept or decline soon!


Are you open to hagwons? Seems your chances of landing in a bigger city would increase with hagwons.

Edit: Someone recommended Korean Horizons to me for off-peak public school jobs. They place people in Incheon: http://www.koreanhorizons.com/


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dirving



Joined: 19 Nov 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: To settle or not to settle? Reply with quote

SunDevil Dre wrote:
CSlinguist wrote:
So starting out like most potential ESL teachers I only wanted a PS position in Seoul, now that most deadlines have long gone along with most of those bright and shiny Seoul positons, I opened up to living in Gyeonggido but ONLY if it was in a metropolitan city less than 40 mins from Seoul via subway. My recruiter set me up with a position in Icheon (not Incheon) which was too rural for my taste and too far from Seoul. So I turned down that position and now I've got a job offer for a PS in Osan, which is slightly closer to Seoul maybe 50 mins by bus and a lil over an hr by subway, and close to Suwon and Songtan. Now the problem is, should I settle for the position even though its in an area I'm not jazzed about? I don't know if holding out for a closer area (like Bucheon, Bundang, hell even Anyang) is a good idea this late in the game? Also the position starts Sep 29th which kind of eliminates me from trying for SMOE next yr since my contract wouldn't end in time to start with them in August...
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So the question is: To settle or not to settle? Granted I do have a slight edge in that I have a BA in Linguistics/ Psychology and I have been studying Korean for 4 years. I'm also female but not Caucasian which has been something of a downfall for me unfortunately. Any advice would be greatly appreciated I need to accept or decline soon!


Are you open to hagwons? Seems your chances of landing in a bigger city would increase with hagwons.


I'd add to that that the chances of finding a satisfactory teaching job are much larger in hogwons.
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CSlinguist



Joined: 11 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: To settle or not to settle? Reply with quote

dirving wrote:
I'd add to that that the chances of finding a satisfactory teaching job are much larger in hogwons.


Really? I've been perusing this forum for a long time and have mostly heard the exact opposite. Sad
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recessiontime



Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: To settle or not to settle? Reply with quote

CSlinguist wrote:
dirving wrote:
I'd add to that that the chances of finding a satisfactory teaching job are much larger in hogwons.


Really? I've been perusing this forum for a long time and have mostly heard the exact opposite. Sad


Being a newbie, id steer clear of hogwons, stick to public schools first. Once you get the hand of it you can try it.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: To settle or not to settle? Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
CSlinguist wrote:
dirving wrote:
I'd add to that that the chances of finding a satisfactory teaching job are much larger in hogwons.


Really? I've been perusing this forum for a long time and have mostly heard the exact opposite. Sad


Being a newbie, id steer clear of hogwons, stick to public schools first. Once you get the hand of it you can try it.


There are pros and cons to both. It really depends on the individual person whether or not they will enjoy more a PS or a hogwon.
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CSlinguist



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice everyone. I decided to decline the offer in Osan.

I get the feeling that my recruiter is trying to burn off harder to place areas on me as I distinctly told them I wanted a metropolitan area and they kept setting me up with places in the (relative) sticks. (One place even offered the rural area bonus when I distinctly asked for no rural areas!)

I'm also slightly peeved that they kinda fibbed in telling me that Osan was 40 mins from Seoul via subway. From what I've heard it can take an hr+ on the subway and 50 mins via bus. Its a small difference but I don't appreciate being treated like I have no clue how to do a google search and find out exactly where they are sending me and what kinda place it is.

So, I will post an update when and if I get a better offer. Hopefully, holding out for the right area will prove fruitful (fingers crossed). Shocked
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toph



Joined: 10 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for hagwons...like someone else mentioned, there are pros and cons to both. The only reason you've read so many bad things here on Dave's is cause ppl come here to vent. But, if you don't want to work at one, that's up to you.

But, I have to admit that you seem too stuck on living in/near Seoul. Osan is a fairly big city, with one of the largest markets in Korea. Many cities in Gyeonggi-do are rather large, and what recruiters market as "rural" are actually suburban areas.

I'd go for the next available job to get experience, especially since you seem to want to work with SMOE next year. More experience = more money, and usually means an easier time getting a job. Anyway...good luck~
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Howler Monkey



Joined: 12 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are looking for the creature comforts of home in the form of western goods and westerners I'm hard pressed to understand why you didn't take Osan.

Osan Airforce Base...

Make friends with an Airfarce flyboy and you have taco bell covered.

Go to Songtan and you have your international food needs covered.

I'd go to Songtan anyday before going to Itaewon. Farther south you have Pyeongtaek, though that place is a bit of a nasty dive. I wouldn't go there too often as the area out front of Camp Casey looks like a slumlord's wet dream.

Osan is a fairly decent billet as far as that part of the province goes.
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CSlinguist



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howler Monkey wrote:
If you are looking for the creature comforts of home in the form of western goods and westerners I'm hard pressed to understand why you didn't take Osan.

Osan Airforce Base...

Make friends with an Airfarce flyboy and you have taco bell covered.

Go to Songtan and you have your international food needs covered.

I'd go to Songtan anyday before going to Itaewon. Farther south you have Pyeongtaek, though that place is a bit of a nasty dive. I wouldn't go there too often as the area out front of Camp Casey looks like a slumlord's wet dream.

Osan is a fairly decent billet as far as that part of the province goes.


I'm actually just finishing up a 6 year enlistment in the Air Force so I most definitely didn't wanna be in a place I could've just transferred to through the AF... Plus I've had enough of being around military people for a longggg time Razz

*Update* I actually just signed a contract with a GEPIK PS in Bundang and will be starting September 1. I don't really know how I got so lucky as to score this position this late in the game so I am very grateful. Just wanted to give an update in case anyone is in the same predicament as I was, wondering if they should take a position they really don't want because they don't think anything better is out there. Contrary to what naysayers tell you, sometimes you really can get what you want if you're patient and have a bit of luck Very Happy
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PigeonFart



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for you cunning Linguist.

Sticking to your guns has paid off. You deserved it too. You can tell a lot about a person from the way the write. Smile
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pikachun1



Joined: 09 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really wanted to go to Seoul, but found a position in Daejeon with great conditions. It was 1 hour away by KTX. I absolutely hated it. Don't settle.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advice to live by: Economize, compromise but never settle.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're a party animal you'll want to be in a city. If you only want to go out once a month, I'd go for a satellite city (easier day to day, no commute), and go stay in a Seoul motel once a month.

Maybe it breaks down: under 30 / over 30?
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