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is so delicious



Joined: 28 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: Flight reimbursement BS Reply with quote

With about a month left on my contract I started looking into flights, and they were more expensive than I remember. Apparently that's because it's summer vacation here in Korea.

I found a flight back to New York for 1,350,000, which was actually a steal compared to the rest of the available tickets (though a pity I didn't look into this sooner and grab one of those 600,000 tickets). My manager comes out with the 'we only pay 1,000,000 as flight reimbursement.

I actually see where they're coming from... 1,350,000 is more than I thought it would be as well. The thing is, though, that it doesn't say anything about a million WON on my contract. It simply and clearly says I will be reimbursed for my flight home upon completing my contract (without mentioning any numbers)- which happened today, so I'm no longer afraid of stirring $hit up and getting fired without my bonus.

My company's been okay to me. Not great, and a bit distant and disorganized, but pretty honest. They are a huge after-school company with plenty in petty funds, I would imagine. I probably won't go to the labor board and set court dates and cause some big mutual headache over 350,000W, but the contract seems pretty clear, so I'm just wondering if anyone has had any similar experiences or has any advice for how to get that cash.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they have been honest with you so far, then appeal to their honesty. Point out that you don't control the cost of the tickets and that you are supposed to get a ticket home or reimbursement of the cost of one.

If they say that tickets only cost 1 million Won, then ask them (politely) if they could just directly buy you the ticket.
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is so delicious



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... the trouble is I already bought the ticket, and that was after searching high and low for the cheapest possible flight.

Maybe "honest" is too strong a word. I basically meant not specifically dishonest. I mean... they've paid on time every month. That's about it. I really have next to no relationship with them... they're kind of all over the place in that regard and I have literally no relationship with my immediate manager/sometimes antichrist, I mean co-teacher, and I'm never sure who to report to.

Anyway... thanks.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since when are teachers put in charge of finding their own plane tickets?
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
Since when are teachers put in charge of finding their own plane tickets?


Since they grew up and left home and learned how to do things themselves without relying on others like a slave?
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kprrok wrote:
northway wrote:
Since when are teachers put in charge of finding their own plane tickets?


Since they grew up and left home and learned how to do things themselves without relying on others like a slave?


...and then they end up paying for part of the ticket out of their own pockets. I prefer having my school deal with it on their own, thanks.
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blonde researcher



Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually in contracts it says that the employer will provide an airticket home. NOT that the employer will pay for a ticket that the employee has already purchased and decided that should be paid in full for.
No employer has to accept and pay for a ticket you decided on.
Often employers buy cheaper tickets through Korean agencies and can do deals cheaper than we can get on tthe internet.
Did you ask him to buy your ticket first or just decide to get your own best deal?
You risk stirring up problems at the very end of your contract and getting a poor reference if you come back to Korea.

The provision of airfares is not even in the employment law so you cannot take this to the labor court. Airtickets and funding in and out of Korea is part of the immigration sponsorship of an employer, so it is the directors choice.

For 350 000 won is it worth a fight and ill feelings ?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blonde researcher wrote:
Usually in contracts it says that the employer will provide an airticket home. NOT that the employer will pay for a ticket that the employee has already purchased and decided that should be paid in full for.
No employer has to accept and pay for a ticket you decided on.
Often employers buy cheaper tickets through Korean agencies and can do deals cheaper than we can get on tthe internet.
Did you ask him to buy your ticket first or just decide to get your own best deal?
You risk stirring up problems at the very end of your contract and getting a poor reference if you come back to Korea.

The provision of airfares is not even in the employment law so you cannot take this to the labor court. Airtickets and funding in and out of Korea is part of the immigration sponsorship of an employer, so it is the directors choice.

For 350 000 won is it worth a fight and ill feelings ?


Interesting thoughts, and no, it probably isn't worth it. Just kind of sucks that if they were honest I'd have three hundred more dollars to enjoy myself with, you know? But basically it looks like they're out to slightly cheat me two ways (I won't go into the other), this being one of them, and I'll be satisfied just to beat them on one.

Oh, and it says they will PAY for the return flight. And yes, I asked them about it and they said to find the cheapest possible ticket and then come to them with the price before purchasing it. Which I did several times to no response... that's kind of how this company is. So I bit the bullet and bought only to hear they only will give me a million WON as reimbursement. And I used all the Korean websites with the help of my K-girl, so I don't think they could have found anything cheaper.

And also, I find it hard to believe I couldn't take this to the labor law. I mean it says very clearly in the contract that they will pay for my flight home upon completion of the contract, which was a few hours ago. That really doesn't mean anything and can't be enforced? What the $hit is the point of a contract, then??
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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In that case, they should pay for the whole thing. There was no million-won stipulation in the contract. Flight home. Period.

You could let is slide or demand it. It's up to you.
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is so delicious



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I wonder what they'll do if I DEMAND it, though. Probably won't budge. And I'm leaving on Monday, so I don't really have time to court.

Sigh. This place really is a drag sometimes.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WadRUG'naDoo wrote:
In that case, they should pay for the whole thing. There was no million-won stipulation in the contract. Flight home. Period.

You could let is slide or demand it. It's up to you.


This is true.

If the contract states no amount for the ticket, technically they should reimburse you for the total flight cost.

However, you may have to settle for less unless you are willing to take your school to the Labor Board.

Tough call.
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Steve_Rogers2008



Joined: 22 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the OP could just walk into the office of whoever made up this 1 million won ruse, and point to the page in the contract, repeatedly pointing at it.

nothin' like a scene of a potential irate and insane foreigner to get what ya want in a school... Twisted Evil
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Troglodyte



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that they'd be obligated to buy him any ticket that he wanted. If he'd discussed it with them before buying the ticket and asked them if they could find something cheaper and the couldn't then he's probably be entitled to the 1.3 million Won reimbursement.

As it is, if he DID make a scene, they might check it out and find that a cheaper ticket is available and tell him that he's only being reimbursed the value of the cheapest possible ticket i.e. 800,000 Won.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both parties in this case failed to plan ahead. Tickets this time of year are more expensive, so both parties should have started looking sooner and booked further in advance at a cheaper price. Now, neither party wants to bear the cost of this failure to plan.

Ultimately, the contract makes the school responsible for this mistake, but the school has balked at its responsibility to pay. It may not be worth the fight, but I wouldn't just surrender $300 either.

The school should pay the whole cost (unless there is some price limitation in the contract). 1,350,000 won isn't that bad for a ticket to NYC anyway.

There is another possibility. The OP could have looked for cheaper tickets for alternative and later dates before buying the ticket. If such tickets are available then the school has legitimate grounds to only pay the cost of an alternative flight on a different date that is near to the current departure date.

This is a good example of why, even when the contract is clearly in your favor, it is a good idea to help out the other party. It's easier to share a win/win situation than one in which failure to plan requires one or both parties to come out a loser.
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Woominlee2



Joined: 21 Jul 2010
Location: U.S.A

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kprrok wrote:
northway wrote:
Since when are teachers put in charge of finding their own plane tickets?


Since they grew up and left home and learned how to do things themselves without relying on others like a slave?


Half the time schools will buy it for you. I didn't have to buy my own.
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