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The US and Israel Debate

 
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:11 am    Post subject: The US and Israel Debate Reply with quote

I just watched on BBC the US President stating that he supports freedom of religion in the US and he considers its a national issue.

How could the US President ever then support the destruction/eradication of the only Jewish State in the World today?

If the USA supports freedom of religion then can it ever support the eradication of the only truly jewish nation/state in the world today?

It does raise questions.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: The US and Israel Debate Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
I just watched on BBC the US President stating that he supports freedom of religion in the US and he considers its a national issue.

How could the US President ever then support the destruction/eradication of the only Jewish State in the World today?

If the USA supports freedom of religion then can it ever support the eradication of the only truly jewish nation/state in the world today?

It does raise questions.



Care to explain how having freedom of religion and the dstruction of Israel are connected? Seemed to have left that explanation out.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Care to explain how having freedom of religion and the dstruction of Israel are connected? Seemed to have left that explanation out.


Ok,

Its difficult for a nation to base its being/ideals on freedom of religion within its own nation if it doesn't believe that it shouldn't exist anywhere else.

If it thinks that locally freedom of religion is ok, then wouldn't it seem likely that the same freedom is acceptable globally?

Now while a single mosque is acceptable in a local situation, then why not a single country in a global situation?

Now if the muslims feel that the mosque/community centre needs to be there for reasons that they feel applicable.

Then what prevents the Jewish state being built where they feel is applicable?

If you support the right of the muslims to place a building in a location that has never been muslim historically, then why not support the right for a Jewish state to exist in a location?

If you consider violence to be a reason why it shouldn't, well violence is also the building block of this centre.

Without 911, did anyone else consider placing a building there?

I understand the arguments against it, "Not only did we attack you, destroy your towers, but you are so weak we can build a mosque there".

Well thats the way it will be sold in some locations. So now you support the freedom of religion in the US, why are you so scared of supporting freedom of religion globally?

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Leon



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering that America is the strongest, and only meaningful, ally that Israel has than how can you say he supports it's destruction? Israel isn't about religion either, it's about the Jewish ethnicity. Israel is a largely secular state.

"As of 2006, 7% of Israeli Jews defined themselves as Haredim; an additional 10% as "religious"; 14% as "religious-traditionalists" ; 22% as "non-religious-traditionalists" (not strictly adhering to Jewish law or halakha); and 44% as "secular" (Hebrew: חִלּוֹנִי‎, Hiloni).[5] As of 1999, 65% of Israeli Jews believe in God,[6] and 85% participate in a Passover seder.[7] However, other sources indicate that between 15% and 37% of Israelis identify themselves as either agnostics or atheists.[8][unreliable source?]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel

Also this has far more to do with foreign policy than religion. One should not blindly support a country, or not support one, regardless of its religious make up.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really confused summer wine. I know I haven't been watching the news lately but I don't know where you get the notion that the US president is

"supporting the destruction/eradication of the only Jewish State in the World today"

I thought Obama was Israel's sock puppet. He is pro-Israel, sanctioning Iran from all directions and would invade them too if the US wasn't already fighting 2 wars as we speak.

It seems like you know something I don't.
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: The US and Israel Debate Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
I just watched on BBC the US President stating that he supports freedom of religion in the US and he considers its a national issue.

How could the US President ever then support the destruction/eradication of the only Jewish State in the World today?

If the USA supports freedom of religion then can it ever support the eradication of the only truly jewish nation/state in the world today?

It does raise questions.


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