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Is it possible to get a good job in a Hagwon at all ?
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mdsb87



Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Location: Gyeongsangnam do

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Is it possible to get a good job in a Hagwon at all ? Reply with quote

Hi all,

Just want some inspiration! I'm hearing so much bad stuff about working in hagwons in SK - do good jobs for TEFL teachers even exist ? So much bad news out there - can somebody convince me it's worth the work of finding one !
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kardisa



Joined: 26 Jun 2009
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, they exist, but you have to do some due diligence before accepting a position - e.g. online research, speak to other FTs, pay attention to the contract, etc. These are also known as "things you should be doing anyway."

That said, I love my hagwon job. The school is located in a great neighborhood and the boss and manager are both helpful and reliable. I teach 5-6 afternoon/early evening classes a day (50 min each), with at least 2 of those being one-on-one classes. My "single" apartment is actually about 60 sq meters and is quite nice.

The horror stories you read on these boards aren't limited to just hagwons - public schools have their issues as well. Just do your research before accepting any position and you should be fine.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine really isn't bad. The hours are long, but the work isn't bad.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't come to Korea -- there are no good jobs to be had. Stay in your home country. Also, this cake I am eating tastes horrible, and you shouldn't try any because it is so nasty!
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some good jobs out there but you need to do your homework and ask the right questions. Then cross your fingers.

What I've yet to experience is curriculum that is based on sound on language learning principles.

But step 1 is finding a hagwon that won't cheat you.
Step 2: finding one that won't disrespect you.
Step 3: finding decent working hours
Step 4: finding meaningful work.


I've experienced the first three, but not the fourth. Perhaps hard to find in Korea, though not impossible I wouldn't think.
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mdsb87



Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Location: Gyeongsangnam do

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok thanks folks - just seems that anyone who has been interested in us are cowboys from the due diligence I've done! It's very frustrating to put in hours of emailing and searching to only have the crooks contact you!
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, a lot of good jobs out there but most of the good ones don't hire newbies. Overall doing a public school job is better if you're a newbie unless you have some kind of relevant training or experience.
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mdsb87



Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Location: Gyeongsangnam do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would be considered relevant training - I assume a 120 hr TEFL would not ?
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would consider my job good outside of the hours, of which the actual teaching hours are tolerable (thirty hours) but the amount of time at work is often not (nine and a half hour days M-W-F). I know plenty of people who work at kindy hagwons that respect their teachers and don't steal (too much), it's just the hours that are problematic.
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VorcePA



Joined: 02 Nov 2009
Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
I would consider my job good outside of the hours, of which the actual teaching hours are tolerable (thirty hours) but the amount of time at work is often not (nine and a half hour days M-W-F). I know plenty of people who work at kindy hagwons that respect their teachers and don't steal (too much), it's just the hours that are problematic.


Why are the hours a problem? I'd *love* that kind of schedule. 4 days off is kind of ridiculous for the amount of pay + benefits (Room + insurance).
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gogophoto



Joined: 20 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VorcePA wrote:
northway wrote:
I would consider my job good outside of the hours, of which the actual teaching hours are tolerable (thirty hours) but the amount of time at work is often not (nine and a half hour days M-W-F). I know plenty of people who work at kindy hagwons that respect their teachers and don't steal (too much), it's just the hours that are problematic.


Why are the hours a problem? I'd *love* that kind of schedule. 4 days off is kind of ridiculous for the amount of pay + benefits (Room + insurance).


I could be wrong, but I think northway was talking only about the work schedule on M-W-F; he/she still has to work Tuesday and Thursday, I assume. I've seen many day-time hagwons that have shorter hours on Tuesday and Thursday--I don't know why, I've just seen them.

P.S. If I AM wrong, I want your job northway!
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdsb87 wrote:
What would be considered relevant training - I assume a 120 hr TEFL would not ?


It won't hurt, but look at things from the point of view of a really good school with a good rep among the local teachers. Why would they hire you instead of someone with a few years experience?

Usually to get one of the good hagwon jobs you need some combination of:
-Teaching Cert.
-BA from a big-name school.
-Experience.
-MA.
-Good luck.
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mdsb87



Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Location: Gyeongsangnam do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya i understand what ya mean about experience etc - all we have in our favour as newbies is a lower salary - but then they have to fly us over there. Are we doomed to having to work for a rubbish hagwon in order to get our foot in the door ?
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdsb87 wrote:
Ya i understand what ya mean about experience etc - all we have in our favour as newbies is a lower salary - but then they have to fly us over there. Are we doomed to having to work for a rubbish hagwon in order to get our foot in the door ?


You should probably get a public school job for the first year, they're not (or at least much less likely to) going to screw you over like a a crap hagwon. Either that or work for a big non-franchise school that's hiring you because they need man-power and are fairly professional.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
There are some good jobs out there but you need to do your homework and ask the right questions. Then cross your fingers.

What I've yet to experience is curriculum that is based on sound on language learning principles.

But step 1 is finding a hagwon that won't cheat you.
Step 2: finding one that won't disrespect you.
Step 3: finding decent working hours
Step 4: finding meaningful work.


I've experienced the first three, but not the fourth. Perhaps hard to find in Korea, though not impossible I wouldn't think.


That's odd, because step 4 is the only one I've found consistently. For all the problems that come with working in a kiddie hogwon, finding working with Korean kids rewarding has never been one of them for me. Sadly, every single kiddie hogwon I worked for did cheat me and disrespect me.
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