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cbris78
Joined: 13 Aug 2010
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:44 am Post subject: What kind of job can I expect/realistically aim for...? |
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Hi,
I�m looking at teaching in Korea next year and I just wondered what kind of positions I should realistically be looking at with my current qualifications.
I�m a 24 year old white English male. I have a BA (Hons) in Law and am in the process of doing an MSc in Criminology which I will finish in August 2011. I won�t have the MSc certificate by the time I apply, but I assume this won�t be a problem as I only require an undergraduate degree for the E2 visa. Whilst I know that�s all you need to teach in Korea it seems that the market has become saturated and it would be advisable to try and gain some other qualifications to aid an application. I intend to do a TEFL course to hopefully enhance my teaching skills as well as my employability anyway. I have spent a few weeks in Secondary schools, mainly in an observatory capacity when I considered applying for a PGCE and I hope to do some more volunteering as a mentor or classroom assistant before I apply.
Ideally I would like to get a position teaching adults, not fussed about being in Seoul, I�ve heard good things about Suji, Bundang Incheon Jeju and Daegu, though I would consider most places, as long as they�re not too rural. I�m flexible on teaching adults as well, I just don�t want to teach in kindies, 7 and above would be OK I guess. I�d also prefer to teach in public schools.
So with the above in mind, am I likely to be able to find a position in the area I�d like to, or will I have to compromise, If so how much? Also, is there anything I could do between now and when I apply (looking at the September 2011 intake) to increase my chances of a placement.
Lastly, and kind of unrelated, does not having much previous travel experience count against me? I just noticed it comes up on a few of the recruiter applications and phone interviews.
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Daniel1981
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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You sound super qualified so I imagine you at least qualify for all the entry level jobs.
The reason I'm writing though is to say - consider Busan! That's where I am going.. Search google images for Haeundae. |
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oldtactics

Joined: 18 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Assuming that you don't have a criminal record or anything else that Koreans will hold against you, it's safe to assume that you'll be accepted to a public school position if you're applying this far in advance. EPIK's standards are higher than they used to be, but they still hire people with less qualifications than you.
If you're set on teaching adults, I'd recommend putting together a professional package and sending it to all the universities & corporations in the area that you want to teach in. With a year of applying, you'll be able to at least find out how the job market is and who might be looking for people. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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With a good CV/cover letter package, 5 years teaching experience in Korea and a BA and MA I have found the market for university jobs really difficult at the moment - and I have even applied for positions in the provinces. I think it's worth trying to get a public school job and then network extensively once you are in Korea. You might be able to progress to a uni position after a year and your MA should make you more marketable, especially if you have a TEFL qualification to pad the CV with. |
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cbris78
Joined: 13 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies
I wouldn't say I was that well qualified, not in terms of teaching anyway, as neither of my degrees is in education or English. That said I do have A Levels in English Language and English Literature, not sure if this is relevant or not, trouble is the grades aren't great so I may be better off not mentioning them anyway!
Can't believe I forgot to mention Busan in my post, this would be my first choice if I wasn't a little worried that it's going to be well oversubscribed like Seoul.
I did think I would probably have to compromise on teaching adults, at least to begin with, so it looks like EPIK is the way to go. Am I right in saying that applications for the September intake open in April? Out of interest does EPIK have higher standards than JET, or is it the same or the other way round?
So seeing as I don't have a criminal record is it reasonable to assume that with the qualifications I mentioned I stand a good chance of getting a place on the EPIK program in Busan or a similar area. Just don't want to waste my time applying if I don't stand a chance and should be looking at other avenues... |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: |
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cbris78 wrote: |
Thanks for the replies
I wouldn't say I was that well qualified, not in terms of teaching anyway, as neither of my degrees is in education or English. That said I do have A Levels in English Language and English Literature, not sure if this is relevant or not, trouble is the grades aren't great so I may be better off not mentioning them anyway!
Can't believe I forgot to mention Busan in my post, this would be my first choice if I wasn't a little worried that it's going to be well oversubscribed like Seoul.
I did think I would probably have to compromise on teaching adults, at least to begin with, so it looks like EPIK is the way to go. Am I right in saying that applications for the September intake open in April? Out of interest does EPIK have higher standards than JET, or is it the same or the other way round?
So seeing as I don't have a criminal record is it reasonable to assume that with the qualifications I mentioned I stand a good chance of getting a place on the EPIK program in Busan or a similar area. Just don't want to waste my time applying if I don't stand a chance and should be looking at other avenues... |
I take it teaching English somewhere weren't part of your future plans up till very recently.
Next year is a lifetime away as regards teaching English in Korea. It was only around 14 months ago when I was at a GEPIK conference (when Dain Bae unveiled the TALK programme) that she was begging us to tell anyone we knew to come out to Korea to teach - and now - it has got to this current state where people with your qualifications are coming over to teach in Korea. A year is a long time in the Korean EFL world and maybe next year - the place will have emptied and you will have your pick of the jobs or b) you won't bother coming yourself as the worldwide economy picks up.
Personally, I don't see a problem. Koreans are very visual so make sure that your CV photo is up to scratch. Big smile, nice suit (you won't have to wear one to work but still) nice haircut and any crazy tattoos or piercings - cover them up or take them out and I reckon you will be on your way to Korea next year.
Korea isn't the easiest place to work in so you'll have a year to remember wherever you end up - good luck!  |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't say I was that well qualified, not in terms of teaching anyway |
At least you've got the right attitude in terms of your qualifications, as opposed to other posters and you seem like a bright chap. . According to your original post You have no qualifications in teaching at all, so the most you should be able to expect would be an entry level job in a country that doesn't care at all about standards in TEFL. IE Korea. You say you want to teach adults but how would you feel about being taught by someone with no training at all, apart from maybe doing a few true/false questions on the internet? If you have a bit of personality you will be awful but tolerated overall. If you don't, you will be awful and get complaints. My advice is get some proper training and do things properly. |
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cbris78
Joined: 13 Aug 2010
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Teaching isn't a recent consideration, but teaching in Korea is. How far in advance do applications usually open for the September intake?
Is a suit necessary? I usually just wear a smart shirt and tie, I'm quite tall (6ft5) and I lift weights, this generally means suits don't 'suit' me (for want of a better word). They sit too high on my shoulders and tend to be baggy as I have to buy large sizes which seem to assume you must be fat. Thinking about it, with Koreans being seemingly obsessed with appearance is being tall, big built a negative? I don't look intimidating or anything and I'm far from fat so I was hoping it wouldn't be... I have a nice haircut (I think) and no piercings or visible tattoos.
I know I�m not the best qualified, hence this thread really, and looking at it from the point of the previous poster teaching at a Uni was probably more unrealistic than I first thought. I don't want to try and wing it; I'd like to be a good teacher so I think EPIK is the way forward, hopefully in middle or high schools.
As I'm not fussed about teaching in Seoul is it more sensible for me to apply to Busan and other areas in the hope I get in there whilst the competition is relatively low compared to that in Seoul, rather than applying to Seoul, potentially being unsuccessful and having to fight it out for the remaining places elsewhere. Busan seems the best compromise to be; metropolitan city by the coast. What other EPIK areas fit this description out of interest? |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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cbris78 wrote: |
Teaching isn't a recent consideration, but teaching in Korea is. How far in advance do applications usually open for the September intake?
Is a suit necessary? I usually just wear a smart shirt and tie, I'm quite tall (6ft5) and I lift weights, this generally means suits don't 'suit' me (for want of a better word). They sit too high on my shoulders and tend to be baggy as I have to buy large sizes which seem to assume you must be fat. Thinking about it, with Koreans being seemingly obsessed with appearance is being tall, big built a negative? I don't look intimidating or anything and I'm far from fat so I was hoping it wouldn't be... I have a nice haircut (I think) and no piercings or visible tattoos.
I know I�m not the best qualified, hence this thread really, and looking at it from the point of the previous poster teaching at a Uni was probably more unrealistic than I first thought. I don't want to try and wing it; I'd like to be a good teacher so I think EPIK is the way forward, hopefully in middle or high schools.
As I'm not fussed about teaching in Seoul is it more sensible for me to apply to Busan and other areas in the hope I get in there whilst the competition is relatively low compared to that in Seoul, rather than applying to Seoul, potentially being unsuccessful and having to fight it out for the remaining places elsewhere. Busan seems the best compromise to be; metropolitan city by the coast. What other EPIK areas fit this description out of interest? |
Law and Criminology and you want to come here to teach? It makes not sense! |
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cbris78
Joined: 13 Aug 2010
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: |
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I appreciate that it might not make much sense considering the information I provided, namely my qualifications, but there�s more than that to it. I could have written a far longer post so that it did make sense but I was unaware that I had to justify myself, not to mention that it that would have had no bearing on the questions I was asking. If a recruiter or school asks me why I want to teach in Korea after studying Law and Criminology I�ll happily explain. If you�re able to offer any advice or answers to the questions I�ve asked I�d appreciate it, but posts like the one above don�t really add much... |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:55 am Post subject: Re: What kind of job can I expect/realistically aim for...? |
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OK then:
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So with the above in mind, am I likely to be able to find a position in the area I�d like to, or will I have to compromise, If so how much? |
A lot. You have a degree in another field and you just plan to come and teach English. You should be sent to a poor performing school in the country. |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:23 am Post subject: |
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cbris78 wrote: |
Teaching isn't a recent consideration, but teaching in Korea is. How far in advance do applications usually open for the September intake?
Is a suit necessary? I usually just wear a smart shirt and tie, I'm quite tall (6ft5) and I lift weights, this generally means suits don't 'suit' me (for want of a better word). They sit too high on my shoulders and tend to be baggy as I have to buy large sizes which seem to assume you must be fat. Thinking about it, with Koreans being seemingly obsessed with appearance is being tall, big built a negative? I don't look intimidating or anything and I'm far from fat so I was hoping it wouldn't be... I have a nice haircut (I think) and no piercings or visible tattoos.
I know I�m not the best qualified, hence this thread really, and looking at it from the point of the previous poster teaching at a Uni was probably more unrealistic than I first thought. I don't want to try and wing it; I'd like to be a good teacher so I think EPIK is the way forward, hopefully in middle or high schools.
As I'm not fussed about teaching in Seoul is it more sensible for me to apply to Busan and other areas in the hope I get in there whilst the competition is relatively low compared to that in Seoul, rather than applying to Seoul, potentially being unsuccessful and having to fight it out for the remaining places elsewhere. Busan seems the best compromise to be; metropolitan city by the coast. What other EPIK areas fit this description out of interest? |
I think Koreans like 'larger than life' in general. I don't think being 6ft 5ins and muscular will do you any harm, I am speaking from being 6ft 2ins and also loving my bench press. You will get a lot of 'fat' comments (don't we all.. ) but it has no bearing if you are in fact fat or not. You will get more 'you are strong' comments, you'll be allright.
Going onto the second point. Koreans are very visual - a lot of them are like kids who are impressed with the superficial. They like style over substance and they like it shiny. When you end up in Korea, you will notice how everyones car is black, shite or silver/grey and when you do see a red/blue/green or a non Korean car - it will stick out in your mind like a sore thumb - Koreans like everything in their place - so thats why the photo in your CV is the most important document.
Your qualifications (or in your case - your abundance of them) won't matter a jot if you look good in the photo - look good in a suit and the job is yours.
You are only qualified for an entry level job as your qualifications are not in the teaching/linguistics field and even with these qualifications - Korean experience counts for a lot in getting a uni job. These jobs are very competitive. You should be good for EPIK/GEPIK though - I can't see there being a problem there. People drop out all the time - best time is for the March/Septmber 1st semester but you should be able to get a job anytime of year really. |
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cbris78
Joined: 13 Aug 2010
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:35 am Post subject: |
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The other reason I asked was because I noticed the EPIK application has a section for height and weight, now my BMI (calculated via height and weight) puts me as overweight/obese, however I only have a 33 inch waist (avergae male Uk waist size is 38!) so i'm far from being either of those things. Just slightly concerned the person viewing my application may think I am...
So a suit is preferable to just a shirt and tie then?
If I apply with an unrelated degree and Masters, 120 hour tefl certificate and some UK teaching experience (will be in the form of mentoring, classroom assitant and possibly summer camp) is the best I can hope for really an undeperforming school in the country? I didn't think I would get a top job in Seoul, and I've discounted teaching adults, but I thought I might be able to get a job through EPIK at a middle or high school in Busan, Incheon or somewhere similar.
How far in advance do the applications for EPIK open? |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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cbris78 wrote: |
The other reason I asked was because I noticed the EPIK application has a section for height and weight, now my BMI (calculated via height and weight) puts me as overweight/obese, however I only have a 33 inch waist (avergae male Uk waist size is 38!) so i'm far from being either of those things. Just slightly concerned the person viewing my application may think I am... |
Lie about your weight - they aren't going to kick you out because you are a couple of stone over the weight you put on your form. They weigh you at the medical in Korea you can blame water weight or you went on a crash muscle diet, you had crappy scales or anything. Don't sweat that too much. Your photo will be enough for any prospective employer to see that you aren't fat.
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So a suit is preferable to just a shirt and tie then? |
Yes. And try and get a professional photo if you can, one of you stood up and a face shot. It will put you in front of the crowd by a long shot - seriously - don't half arse this. It is more important than the actual CV.
You can wear a suit for 20 minutes? Hire a nice one for the day from Burtons if you have to. You won't have to wear one in all your time in Korea. (except for graduation day)
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If I apply with an unrelated degree and Masters, 120 hour tefl certificate and some UK teaching experience (will be in the form of mentoring, classroom assitant and possibly summer camp) is the best I can hope for really an undeperforming school in the country? |
No, you can get something decent but Busan, Seoul and even Daegu are really popular.
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I didn't think I would get a top job in Seoul, and I've discounted teaching adults, but I thought I might be able to get a job through EPIK at a middle or high school in Busan, Incheon or somewhere similar. |
What I would do if I was you is apply to the Changwon public school system - Changwon is a nice little city about 50 minutes away from Busan. Changwon hires it's own public school teachers seperately from EPIK. The chances of you getting a beachside school in Busan at this moment in time is slim to none. Some nice little towns and cities around there though. Jinju and Changwon are pretty nice. Check them out. Have a look at a place called Yeosu - they also hire their own teachers. Nice city is Yeosu!
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How far in advance do the applications for EPIK open? |
Korea is 'bali bali' so you can't start the ball rolling now for September 2011. Best thing to do between now and then is to read everything on these forums. Decide where you want to live and ask questions. If you have a bit of money - visit Korea - 500 quid or thereabouts will get you there. |
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