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sweetleaf



Joined: 22 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: Mental Health and Working in Korea Reply with quote

Hello, everyone. I'm new here. I've poked around and this seems like the right forum to post this in. I apologize if it's not.

I want to teach abroad. I have a degree (B.A., digital media) and I'm working on a TEFL certificate, which I'm nearly done with. The problem is that after I began working on it, I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I have to take medication for it.

I'm as competent as the next person, but I'm worried about how this affects my prospects for finding a job. My best friend is currently teaching in South Korea, and I was hoping to join her. I found an older thread about this on here but it didn't have much information about it beyond a recruiter being unwilling to deal with the person in question. I haven't found any other information on whether or not it is possible for me to teach in South Korea. My friend has told me that there are teachers there who take medication for depression, but depression and bipolar are two different things.

I also need to know if it's even possible to get Geodon there. I believe I have to contact the consulate and ask them, but I'm wondering if there are any people on this board who have successfully taught in Korea after being diagnosed with bipolar, how they went about it, which medications they had access to, and which recruiter they went through.
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone has an illness that doesn't interfere with working, it is best not to tell. People here are not understanding, and will use it as an excuse to look down on someone.
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sweetleaf



Joined: 22 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I understand, I'm required to disclose it on a form I fill out for the Korean government. I'm worried I may be denied a visa because of it.

Edit: Also, BoholDiver, that's true of anywhere, even places where people like to think they're more open-minded than that.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sweetleaf wrote:
From what I understand, I'm required to disclose it on a form I fill out for the Korean government. I'm worried I may be denied a visa because of it.

Edit: Also, BoholDiver, that's true of anywhere, even places where people like to think they're more open-minded than that.


If you disclose it you will be refused the visa.
If you fail to disclose it you subject yourself to the possibility of visa fraud (lying on your visa application).

Have others done it = yes.
Have some had problems because of it = yes.
Will be be a problem elsewhere = maybe. Some countries ask, some do not.
If you are on your meds you will probably fail the medical screen.
If you are off your meds you put yourself at risk.

Is a year in Korea worth the risks = only you can answer that.
Are there other options (places you can work) to teach ESL (besides Korea) = yes.

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sweetleaf



Joined: 22 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for being so honest, ttompatz. I certainly won't be committing visa fraud.

Would it even be possible for me to simply visit my friend, or is that completely out of the question as well?

Where else might I be able to teach ESL?
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Steve_Rogers2008



Joined: 22 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bipolar disorder, or Manic-Depressive, as it used to be called, requires regular monitoring by at minimum, three people... the Shrink who prescribes, the nurse-practitioner who actually juggles the meds, and a therapist or socialworker who holds the hand...

Add on that all the stresses of making a major adjustment to an entirely new culture that is not well known for being touchy-feely to the foreigners among us, and it's not a rosey picture. You really should diesuss this with your 'treatment team' and not being looking for a blank-rubber stamping of your plan from people not qualified to offer an opinion.
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sweetleaf



Joined: 22 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, I've already discussed this with my psychiatrist. I'm not asking for psychiatric opinion here, I'm asking about visa denial and the reality of the availability of medication.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sweetleaf wrote:
Thank you for being so honest, ttompatz. I certainly won't be committing visa fraud.

Would it even be possible for me to simply visit my friend, or is that completely out of the question as well?

Where else might I be able to teach ESL?



You could certainly visit your friend...just come in on a tourist visa.


You could teach ESL in China, or Vietnam or any of half a dozen other countries in the region.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sweetleaf wrote:
Thank you for being so honest, ttompatz. I certainly won't be committing visa fraud.

Would it even be possible for me to simply visit my friend, or is that completely out of the question as well?

Where else might I be able to teach ESL?


Can you visit as a tourist = yes, no problem and no visa required.

Where can you work is problematic since you will require the ability to access professional help and meds.

Korea is (currently) the only country in Asia where the medical asks about mental health and the only country that does a drug screen as part of the process. In Thailand and China MY visa tests were little more than an X-ray and thump the chest (yes, he is alive and shouldn't die this year).

You CAN get work in EVERY other country in Asia.

The hook is can you get professional care (in English) and your med?

Outside of the major metropolitan areas (BKK, Beijing, Shanghai, KL, Penang, HCMC, etc) the answer is typically no.

To answer your question, can you get work = yes

BUT

the research you will have to do to ensure your health and safety (because of your condition) may be an issue for you.

Good luck in your search.

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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, I hope you take this advice in the spirit it is given.
Sorry, coming to Korea is not a good idea for you. Plenty of people come here and slip into depression for a number of reasons: social isolation, linquistic isolation, Korean xenophobia (and shyness), homesickness, lonliness, and just the sheer stress of living away from home in a culture that has very few similarities to western culture.

Further, Korea has different cultural norms: lying is OK here and widespread, cheating employees on wages/conditions etc is common place, and this is a hierarchical society that only recognises master/servant workplace relationships. All these variables (and a lot more) can make for a very stressful year for the average 'normal' person. Ask yourself, are you able to fight for your wages every month? Can you adjust to working in an environment where Western planning and logical thinking are non existant (or different than our cultural norms)?

Given that you've been diagnosed with bi-polar, you can expect to have a very rough time in Korea. Be aware that mental health problems/disorders are considered a discrace in Korea - and no school will employ you if you tell them about your condition. Also, be aware that if you have a manic episode, you will definitely not find treatment and support comparable to any western health system. Also, your employer will not be sympathetic to your condition, and will likely fire and disown you - not pay your wages - and then shunt you onto a plane.

For your own sake, please do not come to Korea.

I'm sure that you can find teaching work in another country. Bangkok has excellent western medical facilities. However, medical treatment for foreigners (falangs) is not cheap - and sadly, I can't give you any advice on psychiatric services there. You could make an inquiry on www.ajarn.com (thai teachers' website).

Good luck.
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NM14456



Joined: 21 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:
OP, I hope you take this advice in the spirit it is given.
Sorry, coming to Korea is not a good idea for you. Plenty of people come here and slip into depression for a number of reasons: social isolation, linquistic isolation, Korean xenophobia (and shyness), homesickness, lonliness, and just the sheer stress of living away from home in a culture that has very few similarities to western culture.

Further, Korea has different cultural norms: lying is OK here and widespread, cheating employees on wages/conditions etc is common place, and this is a hierarchical society that only recognises master/servant workplace relationships. All these variables (and a lot more) can make for a very stressful year for the average 'normal' person. Ask yourself, are you able to fight for your wages every month? Can you adjust to working in an environment where Western planning and logical thinking are non existant (or different than our cultural norms)?

Given that you've been diagnosed with bi-polar, you can expect to have a very rough time in Korea. Be aware that mental health problems/disorders are considered a discrace in Korea - and no school will employ you if you tell them about your condition. Also, be aware that if you have a manic episode, you will definitely not find treatment and support comparable to any western health system. Also, your employer will not be sympathetic to your condition, and will likely fire and disown you - not pay your wages - and then shunt you onto a plane.

For your own sake, please do not come to Korea.

I'm sure that you can find teaching work in another country. Bangkok has excellent western medical facilities. However, medical treatment for foreigners (falangs) is not cheap - and sadly, I can't give you any advice on psychiatric services there. You could make an inquiry on www.ajarn.com (thai teachers' website).

Good luck.


I couldn't agree more with OFF has said here. SK is not that easy a place for many people given the social isolation.

One alternative, depending on what part of the world you're in would be to try a smaller regional city in a place like Mexico. Mexico's great for the soul in comparison to this Seoul. If money's not a huge concern you can live a much sweeter life there IMHO. Stick with the smaller cities around Mexico city/east and west and even south from there. The danger in Mexico is more or less limited to the Northern border states.

Good luck - don't give up, you just have to find the right place.
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NM14456



Joined: 21 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:
OP, I hope you take this advice in the spirit it is given.
Sorry, coming to Korea is not a good idea for you. Plenty of people come here and slip into depression for a number of reasons: social isolation, linquistic isolation, Korean xenophobia (and shyness), homesickness, lonliness, and just the sheer stress of living away from home in a culture that has very few similarities to western culture.

Further, Korea has different cultural norms: lying is OK here and widespread, cheating employees on wages/conditions etc is common place, and this is a hierarchical society that only recognises master/servant workplace relationships. All these variables (and a lot more) can make for a very stressful year for the average 'normal' person. Ask yourself, are you able to fight for your wages every month? Can you adjust to working in an environment where Western planning and logical thinking are non existant (or different than our cultural norms)?

Given that you've been diagnosed with bi-polar, you can expect to have a very rough time in Korea. Be aware that mental health problems/disorders are considered a discrace in Korea - and no school will employ you if you tell them about your condition. Also, be aware that if you have a manic episode, you will definitely not find treatment and support comparable to any western health system. Also, your employer will not be sympathetic to your condition, and will likely fire and disown you - not pay your wages - and then shunt you onto a plane.

For your own sake, please do not come to Korea.

I'm sure that you can find teaching work in another country. Bangkok has excellent western medical facilities. However, medical treatment for foreigners (falangs) is not cheap - and sadly, I can't give you any advice on psychiatric services there. You could make an inquiry on www.ajarn.com (thai teachers' website).

Good luck.


I couldn't agree more with OFF has said here. SK is not that easy a place for many people given the social isolation.

One alternative, depending on what part of the world you're in would be to try a smaller regional city in a place like Mexico. Mexico's great for the soul in comparison to this Seoul. If money's not a huge concern you can live a much sweeter life there IMHO. Stick with the smaller cities around Mexico city/east and west and even south from there. The danger in Mexico is more or less limited to the Northern border states.

Good luck - don't give up, you just have to find the right place.
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languistic



Joined: 25 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The is also the chance that the meds (I don't know a thing about what you are taking or how it looks on a tox screen, but still) may give an anomalous reading on the physical exam (urine test/blood test). This would also expose you if you fail to disclose the info on your application.
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kardisa



Joined: 26 Jun 2009
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PM sent.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,

Considering what you said, Korea is not an option or you.

Asian in general offers other options but I would seriously consider the implications of putting yourself in such a potentially stressful situation with your condition.

The condition you have requires meds and monitoring. You should at the very least make sure you have access to this in the country you wish to work in. Access meaning in your native language and with people who have the training to help you if need be.
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