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Would getting a TEFL Cert. overqualify me

 
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject: Would getting a TEFL Cert. overqualify me Reply with quote

I've noticed that from the sounds of it, schools are now just hiring the cheapest, least experienced teachers. I have considered getting a TEFL certificate (just one of the 100 hour online ones that schools here seem to like). Now I'm wondering if getting it would be a waste. Would it help me out in this current situation? Would schools pass me over because of it.

Right now I'm on my 2nd year of teaching kindy (and some elementary hagwon in the afternoon). This is my first teaching just. I have an unrelated Bachelor's degree and no other qualifications other than my little bit of experience. I currently make 2.4 million plus all the standard apartment, airfare etc.

So, do I have anything to gain by getting a certification? I'd be looking for work in Feb/March of 2011.
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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thegadfly



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say you have nothing to lose -- your worry about being passed over for jobs because you are "overqualified" is not likely to be a problem. Depending on how much the certification costs you, it would likely help you earn more money in the long run (even if it is only 100k a month, if you are going to be here a few more years, that can add up). If you are looking more in the short term, then probably not -- dunno how much the course runs you, but figure how much of a raise it would get you, how much it cost you, and how long you plan to use it, and you should know if it is worth it or not....
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tokkibunni8



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did an online one halfway into my second year. Well worth it. Pays itself off in two months.
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northway



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're American and have a bit of cash to spare you can get certified in Texas without ever having to step foot in the state except to take the certification test. I've heard it runs about three or four grand for the whole deal, but it would also pay itself off very quickly.
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RMNC



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, you can do what smart people do and get the cheapest possible 100 hour course online and save thousands. Spending a few thousand dollars on a TESOL degree is just silly, especially when he already is teaching in Korea. He probably learned more on his first day than that course could ever teach him.
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I was thinking of doing one of the ones for 200 dollars or whatever online for 100-hour course. I know that is usually what suffices here.
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northway



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RMNC wrote:
Or, you can do what smart people do and get the cheapest possible 100 hour course online and save thousands. Spending a few thousand dollars on a TESOL degree is just silly, especially when he already is teaching in Korea. He probably learned more on his first day than that course could ever teach him.


I meant teaching certification rather than TESOL certification, I should've been more clear. One is worth a hell of a lot more than the other.
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Oliver



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Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:00 am    Post subject: Re: Would getting a TEFL Cert. overqualify me Reply with quote

interestedinhanguk wrote:
I've noticed that from the sounds of it, schools are now just hiring the cheapest, least experienced teachers.


You noticed wrong.

interestedinhanguk wrote:
I have considered getting a TEFL certificate (just one of the 100 hour online ones that schools here seem to like). Now I'm wondering if getting it would be a waste. Would it help me out in this current situation? Would schools pass me over because of it.
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Complete waste of money. You'll learn nothing.

interestedinhanguk wrote:


So, do I have anything to gain by getting a certification? .
You will not learn a thing.
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Would getting a TEFL Cert. overqualify me Reply with quote

Oliver wrote:


interestedinhanguk wrote:
I have considered getting a TEFL certificate (just one of the 100 hour online ones that schools here seem to like). Now I'm wondering if getting it would be a waste. Would it help me out in this current situation? Would schools pass me over because of it.
.

Complete waste of money. You'll learn nothing.



Frankly, it's not really about learning. These certifications DO bump you up in pay scale for public school positions and such. 200,000 for a course,, and an extra 100,000 a month= 1.1 million extra for the first year with it (100,000*13-200,000). My concern was that schools would prefer to hire a cheaper teacher.
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languistic



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Would getting a TEFL Cert. overqualify me Reply with quote

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NM14456



Joined: 21 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Would getting a TEFL Cert. overqualify me Reply with quote

Oliver wrote:
interestedinhanguk wrote:
I've noticed that from the sounds of it, schools are now just hiring the cheapest, least experienced teachers.


You noticed wrong.

interestedinhanguk wrote:
I have considered getting a TEFL certificate (just one of the 100 hour online ones that schools here seem to like). Now I'm wondering if getting it would be a waste. Would it help me out in this current situation? Would schools pass me over because of it.
.

Complete waste of money. You'll learn nothing.

interestedinhanguk wrote:


So, do I have anything to gain by getting a certification? .
You will not learn a thing.


I'm sorry but I think you've over reached here (unless you're being sarcastic). How much you're going to learn depends on a variety of factors - the TESOL course, the person teaching the course, the trainee etc..

I'm not in the demographic of newly hired in Seoul - young, beautiful and so on. My recruiter seemed genuinely happier about where I got my TESOL certificate and I believe pushed my through for a very nice job in Seoul at a bump in salary.

At a bare minimum a good TESOL course can give real insight on the learning process, what's going on in the classroom and even a process for evaluating things as you're teaching.

I don't want to get into a war on what's a good TESOL program or what programs are "the best" but given what I've heard from some of those who took "quickie" certifications - there's a real difference.
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mimi belle



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are different types of certification.

There are the online certificates.
(100 hours + and they run approx $200-$400.)
Then there's the 1 month long CELTA which runs approx $1800.
And finally MA programs.

If you're deciding on the online certification, then you should do it as long as you have the money. From what I hear, it's not much use outside of asia (and some countries still require a CELTA) but you might as well.

@ northway
Are you talking masters programs in texas?
Please elaborate. Sounds interesting.
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languistic



Joined: 25 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mimi belle wrote:
There are different types of certification.

There are the online certificates.
(100 hours + and they run approx $200-$400.)
Then there's the 1 month long CELTA which runs approx $1800.
And finally MA programs.

If you're deciding on the online certification, then you should do it as long as you have the money. From what I hear, it's not much use outside of asia (and some countries still require a CELTA) but you might as well.

@ northway
Are you talking masters programs in texas?
Please elaborate. Sounds interesting.


Never heard of an MA as being a form of "certification" before...seems to devalue the degree, putting it in the same sentence as a CELTA or a TEFL/TESL certificate.
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