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pkang0202
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 Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:43 pm Post subject: Obama is a Stranger |
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703959704575454042956997192.html
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Actually, what is confounding is that he seems more a mystery to people now than he did when they elected him president.
The president is overexposed, yet on some level the picture is blurry. He's in your face on TV, but you still don't fully get him. People categorize him in political terms: "He's a socialist," "He's a pragmatic progressive." But beyond that disagreement, things get murky. When you think about his domestic political decisions, it's hard to tell if he's playing a higher game or a clueless game. Is he playing three-dimensional chess, or is he simply out of his depth?
Underscoring the unknowns is the continuing question about him and those around him: How did they read the public mood so well before the presidency and so poorly after? In his first 19 months on the job, the president has often focused on issues that were not the top priority of the American people. He was thinking about one thing�health care�when they were thinking about others�the general economy, deficits. He's on one subject, they're on another. He has been contradictory: I'm for the mosque, I didn't say I'm for the mosque. He's detached from the Gulf oil spill, he's all about the oil spill.
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The hope of the White House, which knows it is about to take a drubbing, is probably this: that the Republicans in Congress will devolve into a freak show, overplay their hand, lose their focus, be a little too colorful. If that meme emerges�and the media will be looking for it�the Republicans may wind up giving the president the positive definition he lacks. They could save him.
The White House must be hoping that a year from now, people will start looking at the president and saying "Hey, I do know that guy. He's the moderate.
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom
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| It has been said that the Bush power backers wanted Obama in office and that a Republican opposition would be forged that is just wacky and fringe enough to lose the election. So far that conspiracy theory is still alive, however little water it holds. |
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ThingsComeAround
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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So...
Is Glen Beck your neighbor? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| He has been contradictory: I'm for the mosque, I didn't say I'm for the mosque. |
He said they have a right to build a mosque there, I didn't say whether it was a good idea or not. It's only contradictory if your only two options are a simplistic for and not for. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| He has been contradictory: I'm for the mosque, I didn't say I'm for the mosque. |
He said they have a right to build a mosque there, I didn't say whether it was a good idea or not. It's only contradictory if your only two options are a simplistic for and not for. |
Mith,
Did you think that was one of Obama's stronger moments?
Pkang,
I wasn't impressed by the article. Obama has a defined foreign policy, and outside of Afghanistan, I'm pleased. Obama also has a relatively defined economic policy, and I am appalled. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
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| He has been contradictory: I'm for the mosque, I didn't say I'm for the mosque. |
He said they have a right to build a mosque there, I didn't say whether it was a good idea or not. It's only contradictory if your only two options are a simplistic for and not for. |
Mith,
Did you think that was one of Obama's stronger moments? |
Seems like just a regular moment to me. They have the right to build a mosque there, whether it's a good idea or not is another matter. Right on both counts. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
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| He has been contradictory: I'm for the mosque, I didn't say I'm for the mosque. |
He said they have a right to build a mosque there, I didn't say whether it was a good idea or not. It's only contradictory if your only two options are a simplistic for and not for. |
Mith,
Did you think that was one of Obama's stronger moments? |
Seems like just a regular moment to me. They have the right to build a mosque there, whether it's a good idea or not is another matter. Right on both counts. |
Obama has an international audience, not just a national one. It's bad for America to look like it hates Muslims considering many of our allies are Muslim countries and considering how it makes recruitment for terrorists easier. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
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| He has been contradictory: I'm for the mosque, I didn't say I'm for the mosque. |
He said they have a right to build a mosque there, I didn't say whether it was a good idea or not. It's only contradictory if your only two options are a simplistic for and not for. |
Mith,
Did you think that was one of Obama's stronger moments? |
Seems like just a regular moment to me. They have the right to build a mosque there, whether it's a good idea or not is another matter. Right on both counts. |
He should've said he won't comment on city business. But if he had said that, one wonders why he would even talk about the right of religious freedom in such powerful terms, anyway. The stakes are low on this one, but its certainly a self-serving position. A large majority opposes the community center (its not a mosque). |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
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| He has been contradictory: I'm for the mosque, I didn't say I'm for the mosque. |
He said they have a right to build a mosque there, I didn't say whether it was a good idea or not. It's only contradictory if your only two options are a simplistic for and not for. |
Mith,
Did you think that was one of Obama's stronger moments? |
Seems like just a regular moment to me. They have the right to build a mosque there, whether it's a good idea or not is another matter. Right on both counts. |
He should've said he won't comment on city business. |
That doesn't sound like it would be a particularly strong moment either, if that's what you're concerned with. |
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beck's
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:57 am Post subject: |
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He is the most fiscally irresponsible president in American history. The national debt is out of control. Rather than addressing this problem he continues to add to it.
He is out of touch with mainstreet America. His little 'teachable moments' are patronizing and condecending. Lecturing the people on first ammendment rights re the mosque controversy was unconscionable. Any first year law student knows that the organizers have the right to build a mosque anywhere that zoning allows. Freedom of religion was never the issue. Professor president just couldn't resist his pointy finger lecture on the obvious.
Ditto in the case of his big shot professor buddy and the working class cop in Boston. How fu-cking absolutely consecending and stereotypical to think that a working class white guy would be impressed by a free beer. Why not sherry? Gates and Obama are both living in a pre-civil rights, pre-billions of dollars affirmative action programmes mindset where black Americans are 'oppressed' by 'the man.' Both of them have made hay playing the race card. Then again what can you expect from a president that sat for year after year in a church pew and listened to his mentor 'god-damn' America.
He sold out the Iranian desenters. His support for them was vapid. Regan's 'evil empire' speech gave hope to those suffering behind the iron curtain. Obama gave nothing but platitudes.
I could go on and on and on. It's just too depressing for words. Our only hope is that 2012 is just around the corner. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| He is the most fiscally irresponsible president in American history. |
 Compared to what GWB did to the Clinton surplus?? hike up government spending AND cut taxes is what has rode the gov't off the rails financially. (Ugh, I shouldn't even reply to such quackery. G'day.) |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
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| He has been contradictory: I'm for the mosque, I didn't say I'm for the mosque. |
He said they have a right to build a mosque there, I didn't say whether it was a good idea or not. It's only contradictory if your only two options are a simplistic for and not for. |
Mith,
Did you think that was one of Obama's stronger moments? |
Seems like just a regular moment to me. They have the right to build a mosque there, whether it's a good idea or not is another matter. Right on both counts. |
He should've said he won't comment on city business. But if he had said that, one wonders why he would even talk about the right of religious freedom in such powerful terms, anyway. The stakes are low on this one, but its certainly a self-serving position. A large majority opposes the community center (its not a mosque). |
The stakes are actually quite high if one looks beyond petty American politics. It is important to convince the Muslim world that America does not hate it, especially considering energy and security concerns that we have. It had to be said. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:19 am Post subject: |
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He's detached from the Gulf oil spill, he's all about the oil spill.
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The original article is pretty silly. That's what happens when you take an idea from a supporter and match it with someone with Obama Derangement Syndrome. It just makes a mish-mash.
I will agree that Obama should have kept his mouth shut the day after the religious freedom speech. It was not his best moment. By far. I think it shows he was way past ready for a vacation. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Who read his book Dreams? |
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beck's
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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The leadership of the so-called Islamic world has its own agenda. That is the imposition of sharia law on as much of the world as possible, the subjigation of the dhimi, and the establishment of a caliphate.
The secular west is at war with Islam even though our political elite fails to recognize this. Islam is much more than just a spiritual religion. It is a system of laws and a political ideology that is fundementally anti-freedom. It condemns individual liberty and promotes submission.
The organizers of the ground zero mosque are telling America that they want to build bridges. Why aren't our elites asking them the hard questions like:
Where is the 100 million coming from?
Will men and women share the same swimming pool in the cultural centre? Will men and women be allowed to swim together as equals?
What will the Imam teach about homosexuality and the rights of women? Will the Imam speak out against forced marriages, FGM, the burka, stonings and other primitive punishments?
Will women be allowed to lead prayer groups in the Mosque?
Will Jews, Christians and others be allowed to use the prayer rooms to organize their services/rituals etc. Will Rushdie and Ayaan Hirsi Ali be invited to speak at the mosque?
Europe is now well on its way to Islamicization. Large part of many large European cities are ruled by de facto sharia. Obama is the first anti-American president. He will side with just about any group that hates America. America's only hope is that he is gone in 2012. |
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