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Some of the Mothers Said
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
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 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: Is the sky falling? Nah, not really. |
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August 31st.
On the date above, there were 127 (plus 1 part time) ESL jobs posted on Dave's alone.
The sky is not falling little chickens. Relax, you'll all survive.
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creeper1
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah and maybe 800 applicants for all you know. |
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Some of the Mothers Said
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| creeper1 wrote: |
| Yeah and maybe 800 applicants for all you know. |
You have proof there were 800 applications? Please post if you do. |
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oldtactics
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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I assume you meant August.
Do you have proof that all those recruiter ads are factual? I'm not disagreeing with your original post, but I don't think there's any 'proof' to back your point up either. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Meh -- even assuming that 800 people applied for 127 jobs, that is still much better than the average of 300 people applying for EACH English teaching position in my home state of Michigan -- and every one of those positions requires a teaching certification and a degree within the field.
Yeah, jobs are becoming harder to find everywhere, but not as hard to find in Korea as elsewhere, and nowhere near the "scary" level. Then again, maybe it takes more to scare me than other folks.... |
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Some of the Mothers Said
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| oldtactics wrote: |
I assume you meant August.
Do you have proof that all those recruiter ads are factual? I'm not disagreeing with your original post, but I don't think there's any 'proof' to back your point up either. |
Thanks for the month error. Sometimes, they all seem to blur into one.
No, I can't give you any proof that those jobs exist, but I don't see the reason why they advertise them if they didn't. I also assume they would have had to pay Dave for the job ad. Occham's Razor. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| My school made three new hires this month. I've got a university friend who was just hired. Isolated incidents, perhaps, but there are jobs out there. I think the problem is that the jobs that are out there aren't really ideal in the hours and age groups you have to teach. |
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Some of the Mothers Said
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| My school made three new hires this month. I've got a university friend who was just hired. Isolated incidents, perhaps, but there are jobs out there. I think the problem is that the jobs that are out there aren't really ideal in the hours and age groups you have to teach. |
Some positive anecdotal evidence for a change. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| I applied for a position last week - one day after it had been posted - and my e-mail was returned to me as the employer's (this was not a recruiter) intray was full! That's got to tell you something about the number of applicants per job. |
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Some of the Mothers Said
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| I applied for a position last week - one day after it had been posted - and my e-mail was returned to me as the employer's (this was not a recruiter) intray was full! That's got to tell you something about the number of applicants per job. |
Tells me nothing. There are a myriad of reasons your e-mail was returned. One of them could be as you stated. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| I think the problem is that the jobs that are out there aren't really ideal in the hours and age groups you have to teach. |
I think this is the problem everywhere in every kind of industry. Recent grads are way too entitled and spoiled. This applies to Korea as well. Graduates these days don't realize that yeah, you may have to work at a crap salary with loads of extra work in an area you don't want to be in for a couple of years. "Entry" level means you get crapped on and the conditions won't be ideal. I'm still in the "entry mode" of things as I usually work weekends and get very little vacation which is unpaid as well. This doesn't have to last forever if one puts his/her nose to the grindstone and networks a bit however. This is something that many of the current generation won't do. If you are not of this current generation and whining about the cushy jobs vanishing, then I have no idea what to say to you other than you are screwed unless you upgrade your qualifications, network or go to some 3rd world country where they will take anyone. |
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northway
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| misher wrote: |
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| I think the problem is that the jobs that are out there aren't really ideal in the hours and age groups you have to teach. |
I think this is the problem everywhere in every kind of industry. Recent grads are way too entitled and spoiled. This applies to Korea as well. Graduates these days don't realize that yeah, you may have to work at a crap salary with loads of extra work in an area you don't want to be in for a couple of years. "Entry" level means you get crapped on and the conditions won't be ideal. I'm still in the "entry mode" of things as I usually work weekends and get very little vacation which is unpaid as well. This doesn't have to last forever if one puts his/her nose to the grindstone and networks a bit however. This is something that many of the current generation won't do. If you are not of this current generation and whining about the cushy jobs vanishing, then I have no idea what to say to you other than you are screwed unless you upgrade your qualifications, network or go to some 3rd world country where they will take anyone. |
Don't knock us across the board. I've worked a year at 2.2, 9-6:30 without complaint. It's not a hard job. But the 9-5 is asking asking a lot given the money we're handed for the work we do. Salary whatever, the free apartment and airfare are extremely meaningful (not to mention the taxes). |
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paulandsilas
Joined: 18 Aug 2010
Location: Daejeon, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| All I know is I could not get a job in the states with an almost completed M.A. (I get my official degree in December--paper work B.S.). The ESL market was seemingly better compared to the myriad of rejection letters that I kept getting with other job applications. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Some of the Mothers Said wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| I applied for a position last week - one day after it had been posted - and my e-mail was returned to me as the employer's (this was not a recruiter) intray was full! That's got to tell you something about the number of applicants per job. |
Tells me nothing. There are a myriad of reasons your e-mail was returned. One of them could be as you stated. |
No, as I said before, it specifically stated the reason it was returned: 'Recipient's mailbox is full, message returned to sender'. I think that rules out a 'myriad' of other reasons. Now, there is a possibility that his inbox was hammered with spam, but that the inbox was full is beyond discussion. Of course, I don't think it is a stretch to suppose that a large number of applicants for a recently advertised job is the cause of this however. |
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Some of the Mothers Said
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Some of the Mothers Said wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| I applied for a position last week - one day after it had been posted - and my e-mail was returned to me as the employer's (this was not a recruiter) intray was full! That's got to tell you something about the number of applicants per job. |
Tells me nothing. There are a myriad of reasons your e-mail was returned. One of them could be as you stated. |
No, as I said before, it specifically stated the reason it was returned: 'Recipient's mailbox is full, message returned to sender'. I think that rules out a 'myriad' of other reasons. Now, there is a possibility that his inbox was hammered with spam, but that the inbox was full is beyond discussion. Of course, I don't think it is a stretch to suppose that a large number of applicants for a recently advertised job is the cause of this however. |
Thank you for the further details, and I apologize for the misreading of your post. If I continue to use Occham's razor as first principal logic, then your post rings true.
I guess I could argue that the inbox was full due to people sending large resume's, or the recipient used his or her own personal e-mail which was partially full, or as you suggested it was automatically sent back to you due to an issue with the spam setting. However, your reasoning sounds the simplest, and most accurate, albeit anecdotal. (I don't mean the final comment to belittle your experience)
What I intended with this post is to try to flesh out some facts about the current situation in Korea. I have doubts that jobs are so hard to find, but I also have doubts that they were as easy to come across as before.
Any facts would be appreciated. |
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