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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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 Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:12 pm Post subject: Hangul Word Processor |
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After 45 fruitless minutes of trying to cut and paste some text into a form, I have reached the conclusion that it is in fact a huge flaming pile of dog turd, and Korea needs to jump on the Microsoft Word bandwagon asap.
Every time I have to use it, I end up wanting to smash the PC and set fire to the remains.
Rant over. |
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s4yunkim
Joined: 28 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Agree. Luckily the company I work for only uses MS word. Good luck man. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hancom Office 2010 has the following components:
- Hangul 2010
- Hancel 2010
- Hanshow 2010
So, I guess the days of easy use of co-teacher created PowerPoint and Excel files are over.
You might as well go that site, click on English, then click on Hancom Office 2010 Viewer Download. For added entertainment, there's even an option to select the Hancom Viewer program as the default program to open your MS Office files!  |
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jhicks99
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:38 am Post subject: |
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I don't even launch word anymore. It's all about google docs these days for me.
I had a hakwon that made me do lesson plans in that awful Korean word processor. I concur with how horrendous it is. |
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archmagos
Joined: 14 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| How about open office (or soon, libre office)? |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| archmagos wrote: |
| How about open office (or soon, libre office)? |
No.
The open source hippy pipe dream is just that. As a package it is nowhere near as complete and useful as microsoft and still has serious compatibility issues. It would potentially be a good idea if everyone was already using MS and you weren't expected to interact with them at some time. |
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archmagos
Joined: 14 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
| archmagos wrote: |
| How about open office (or soon, libre office)? |
No.
The open source hippy pipe dream is just that. As a package it is nowhere near as complete and useful as microsoft and still has serious compatibility issues. It would potentially be a good idea if everyone was already using MS and you weren't expected to interact with them at some time. |
Sorry, I have to pointedly disagree with this assessment.
The writer component of open office will save out to DOC (multiple versions), DOCX, PDF, ODF, RTF etc. As a basic and usable word processor, it is mature and just as usable (or not) as word.
If the OP intend to employ some of the tightly integrated collaboration features of office (eg sharepoint integration, for which ms office is obviously better), this is a different requirement to simple using word processing. If there were serious typesetting requirements (eg text must appear in certain spot) then a pdf export is the best solution (to be fair, this can be done with a plugin in word too I believe, although it is a native feature in open office).
I was easily able to process over 300 student reports using mail merge for parents in mixed Korean and English using open office without an issue for parents (pulling data from a Korean website).
If the OP cares, open office is also free, requires no licence, is well documented and community supported and in English or Korean (or whatever other language you care to use). |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| As a package it is nowhere near as complete and useful as microsoft |
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| The writer component of open office will save out to DOC (multiple versions), DOCX, PDF, ODF, RTF etc. As a basic and usable word processor, it is mature and just as usable (or not) as word. |
Try to keep up please.
I was referring to the whole package. While writer is the most mature, it is not 100% compatible with everything from Word.
There are many complex and even some not complex things that don't come out 100% if you try to use the document in Open Office.
If you're making a grocery list, sure, but then you can just use Notepad.
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| If the OP cares, open office is also free, requires no licence, is well documented and community supported and in English or Korean (or whatever other language you care to use). |
A community which just recently fractured. No one really knows where either project is going to end up right now. |
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archmagos
Joined: 14 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
I was referring to the whole package. While writer is the most mature, it is not 100% compatible with everything from Word.
There are many complex and even some not complex things that don't come out 100% if you try to use the document in Open Office.
If you're making a grocery list, sure, but then you can just use Notepad |
It's all a question of what is most appropriate for the task ... I would simply invite the OP to try it out and see if it suits their needs. The point is to offer them options to solve the issue. Notepad may work just as well for some (probably not too many I would guess).
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| A community which just recently fractured. No one really knows where either project is going to end up right now. |
This is largely a red herring ... libre office is a fork of open office ... neither is disappearing anytime soon (the "fracture" is a result of disagreement with oracle's business practices).
Perhaps the OP would like to more fully define what those needs are? |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| It's all a question of what is most appropriate for the task ... I would simply invite the OP to try it out and see if it suits their needs. The point is to offer them options to solve the issue. Notepad may work just as well for some (probably not too many I would guess). |
When you're dealing with compatibility we're not talking about suiting your needs. It's suiting the needs of the people you may receive documents from.
You have no control over what someone may send you.
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| This is largely a red herring ... libre office is a fork of open office ... neither is disappearing anytime soon (the "fracture" is a result of disagreement with oracle's business practices). |
Not at all. Previously you had one community that could barely keep pace with MS, now you it divided. That isn't going to improve the product. |
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archmagos
Joined: 14 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
When you're dealing with compatibility we're not talking about suiting your needs. It's suiting the needs of the people you may receive documents from.
You have no control over what someone may send you.
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Any precisely what form of documents are you referring to? If someone sends you a .DOC, open office will read it without fail. If it is riddled with macros, then you should be thinking twice about opening that up anyway.
If your co-teacher sends you a HWP file, you need to get a little bit more assertive about your own work flow needs (regardless of whether you use word, open office or notepad) ... you should, quite simply, ask for it in your preferred format or be prepared to be stuck with using hangul word processor ... this is classic vendor lock-in
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| Not at all. Previously you had one community that could barely keep pace with MS, now you it divided. That isn't going to improve the product. |
It's hardly about keeping pace with MS ... there have been plenty of innovations that were introduced by other companies or communities years ago that MS has only just caught up with |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Open Office is about 100 million times better than HWP, but that wouldn't fly here because it's not Korean. I think it's policy for government offices, including schools, to publish documents in that format. It's the same stupid, nationalistic, closed market mentality that kept Iphones out for years. I wouldn't mind so much if HWP wasn't a complete POS. |
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archmagos
Joined: 14 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| ... but that wouldn't fly here because it's not Korean. |
I hear that 
I never attempted to convince my Korean co-workers that there were alternatives out there, but I made damn sure things ran the way I liked on my classroom computer. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Open Office and HWP are both basically the same, in that they cause formatting issues.
Someone send me a doc file which I have to edit, and send back. Open Office fails to allow me to edit it and have the person on the other end receive it in its orginal form.
When I can save a simple document written in either program as a doc file, and have it open in exactly the same form in MS Word, then I'll consider using them. Until then I'll continue to see them as a waste of time.
HWP is garbage and I also hate it with a passion. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Is there an English language version of HWP? That would help ease the pain a little... |
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