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english puppet
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 Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:30 am Post subject: Public school overtime question |
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I found out that my school is doing some schedule changing and they want me to do a couple of hours of OT/ week I realize I'm required to do this in my contract but the rate of 20mil hour is pretty low compared to my previous public school.
I'm curious what others are getting or if this seems about average for a public school OT rate? This school also pays me considerably less than my last school for after school classes as well. |
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allan of asia
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| 20000won an hour is the going rate for overtime classes in public schools - if you are lucky some pay you more but budgets are being cut left right and centre so i wouldn't be surprised if you now get nothing over what you are contractually entitled to. Also my after school used to be very well remunerated but now it depends on how many students sign up - i worked hard to get a lot in so i actually got a pay rise but a lot of the korean teachers just cancelled their classes and said it wasn't worth the prep and time out of their evenings...afterschool all depends on your school. |
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plchron
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Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| in Ulsan it is 30,000 for Saturday hours. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| What do you mean required? Are you talking about the classes going over the weekly rate but still during regular school hours (8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday)? If so, those you have no choice but to do. After that time or on weekends, you are not obligated. |
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Smithington
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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At one of my old public school jobs I worked several hours overtime every week. Rarely saw a penny. They always found a way to make my overtime pay disappear into a black hole.
Smith: What happened to my overtime pay.
Ms. Kim: "Oh, Monday was a national holiday. You didn't work, so we deleted 8 hours from your total hours worked. So the 6 overtime hours you worked still fell within the 22 hours for regular pay."
Smith: "But it was a 'paid' national holiday. It's hardly a paid holiday if I lose money by taking it."
I couldn't get it through their head that what the school was doing was immoral and illogical. But it happened for several days every month. I told them that my friend who worked at a nearby school only worked the standard 22 hours, and although I worked 26 or 27 we often ended up with the same pay. How was that justified?
Ms. Kim: "It's the school's policy. Principal's decision."
Understandably I stopped doing the overtime immediately.
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| allan of asia wrote: |
| 20000won an hour is the going rate for overtime classes in public schools - if you are lucky some pay you more but budgets are being cut left right and centre so i wouldn't be surprised if you now get nothing over what you are contractually entitled to. Also my after school used to be very well remunerated but now it depends on how many students sign up - i worked hard to get a lot in so i actually got a pay rise but a lot of the korean teachers just cancelled their classes and said it wasn't worth the prep and time out of their evenings...afterschool all depends on your school. |
Thanks for the response and you are likely correct that it is part of what's going on with the budget issues. I'd be more than happy to drop the after school group though the class was fairly strong until the last couple of weeks (about 8-10/after school session). Nice group but the extra prep doesn't make it worth it as you say. I made almost double that at another public school but I suppose I shouldn't compare the situations. Again, just good to know I'm at the "normal" level - thanks.
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| What do you mean required? Are you talking about the classes going over the weekly rate but still during regular school hours (8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday)? If so, those you have no choice but to do. After that time or on weekends, you are not obligated. |
I understood that part of my contract and you understood the post as well.
Thanks. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
At one of my old public school jobs I worked several hours overtime every week. Rarely saw a penny. They always found a way to make my overtime pay disappear into a black hole.
Smith: What happened to my overtime pay.
Ms. Kim: "Oh, Monday was a national holiday. You didn't work, so we deleted 8 hours from your total hours worked. So the 6 overtime hours you worked still fell within the 22 hours for regular pay."
Smith: "But it was a 'paid' national holiday. It's hardly a paid holiday if I lose money by taking it."
I couldn't get it through their head that what the school was doing was immoral and illogical. But it happened for several days every month. I told them that my friend who worked at a nearby school only worked the standard 22 hours, and although I worked 26 or 27 we often ended up with the same pay. How was that justified?
Ms. Kim: "It's the school's policy. Principal's decision."
Understandably I stopped doing the overtime immediately. |
Something doesn't add up here. Either you kept doing it for a while or you stopped doing it immediately. How can it be both? |
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
At one of my old public school jobs I worked several hours overtime every week. Rarely saw a penny. They always found a way to make my overtime pay disappear into a black hole.
Smith: What happened to my overtime pay.
Ms. Kim: "Oh, Monday was a national holiday. You didn't work, so we deleted 8 hours from your total hours worked. So the 6 overtime hours you worked still fell within the 22 hours for regular pay."
Smith: "But it was a 'paid' national holiday. It's hardly a paid holiday if I lose money by taking it."
I couldn't get it through their head that what the school was doing was immoral and illogical. But it happened for several days every month. I told them that my friend who worked at a nearby school only worked the standard 22 hours, and although I worked 26 or 27 we often ended up with the same pay. How was that justified?
Ms. Kim: "It's the school's policy. Principal's decision."
Understandably I stopped doing the overtime immediately. |
Yeah, I'm going to have to keep a closer eye on that this semester. Frankly, the whole "teacher association" fee of 20KWon peeves me off and I had to wait almost two and half months for my after school paycheck one time.
What makes matters strange is the on again, off again pay stub problem. Paystubs for Oct.Nov but not for December. My deposit amount's about right but I do like to know what the hell's happening with my money. |
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| litebear wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
At one of my old public school jobs I worked several hours overtime every week. Rarely saw a penny. They always found a way to make my overtime pay disappear into a black hole.
Smith: What happened to my overtime pay.
Ms. Kim: "Oh, Monday was a national holiday. You didn't work, so we deleted 8 hours from your total hours worked. So the 6 overtime hours you worked still fell within the 22 hours for regular pay."
Smith: "But it was a 'paid' national holiday. It's hardly a paid holiday if I lose money by taking it."
I couldn't get it through their head that what the school was doing was immoral and illogical. But it happened for several days every month. I told them that my friend who worked at a nearby school only worked the standard 22 hours, and although I worked 26 or 27 we often ended up with the same pay. How was that justified?
Ms. Kim: "It's the school's policy. Principal's decision."
Understandably I stopped doing the overtime immediately. |
Something doesn't add up here. Either you kept doing it for a while or you stopped doing it immediately. How can it be both? |
Sounds like there was more than one conversation that occurred over a period of time - when the principal decided to play the King Sejong card the teacher here decided to play his I'm-not-a-vassal-of-your-kingdom card.
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| You are not required to join the teacher's association. There are benefits to it, though. One benefit is that the money for the "waysheek" comes out of that. If you're absolutely not interested in going to those, then don't join the association. Another benefit is small payments for different events in your life (wedding, death in the family, etc.). Again, if you're not interested in getting those small payments, skip the association. |
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| You are not required to join the teacher's association. There are benefits to it, though. One benefit is that the money for the "waysheek" comes out of that. If you're absolutely not interested in going to those, then don't join the association. Another benefit is small payments for different events in your life (wedding, death in the family, etc.). Again, if you're not interested in getting those small payments, skip the association. |
Well, technically you're probably right. The problem is is that there are unstated repercussions for not being part of the "team". I'm sure this varies from school to school but not participating in some of these things can have a negative effect on your employment despite not being in your contract.
Not arguing with your point - just saying that it can be a big deal depending on your situation. |
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