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Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Location: New York
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: How much can the stingiest of stingy expect to save? |
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My situation:
-American, 24, caucasian, (very) good looking
-have Bachelors degree in English
-getting my Masters in English from an american university beginning August '10, ending May '11
-thinking about doing on-site TEFL classes during MA classes...(?)
I have a desire to travel, and teaching kids English in the mean time doesn't sound like a bad idea. According to EPIK's payscale, I'd be 2nd level, maybe ~2.1M won, $1880/month, ~$22,000 a year. I currently live on the scantest of scant: sleep on a sleeping bag, everything I own fits in a backpack, never spend money except on food and rent. If I live like a miser in Korea for a year, how much can I expect to bank?
My main motivation for teaching in Korea is to make enough money to pay for my Masters degree ($16,000 before interest). If I end up liking teaching, I'll continue to do it to fund travel throughout the area...
Can I realistically expect to pay off the entirety of my debt in under two years? |
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EuroFunk

Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: jobless in Busan
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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it's possible you can bank more than that in one year.
don't forget pension which is like 1k and completion bonus which is 2k. All you have to do is stick with the local diet, don't drink, don't smoke, and don't get a girlfriend.
I was making 1.6 and on a save month, I saved around a grand. |
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nourozi
Joined: 15 Mar 2009
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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You can save 16g in one year. |
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Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Location: New York
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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I took $6,500 in unsubsidized loans, at ~6% interest, that's $400 interest a year. The rest of my loans are subsidized (no interest for 6 months after I publish my thesis). Assuming I have to pay back... $18,000 with all the hidden fees that I'm sure will be revealed, is it still possible to pay it off in one year?
I guess I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited about the first two responses to this thread  |
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jonpurdy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Location: Ulsan
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: How much can the stingiest of stingy expect to save? |
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My situation:
-American, 24, caucasian, (very) good looking
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You will want to party and meet girls. Unfortunately, if you save every penny you will probably be depressed since you won't be able to go out and have a good time. Drinking, meeting girls, etc. costs money, especially in Seoul.
It would seem like the best idea (if you truly want to save all that money and want to avoid temptation) would be to live out in the country where there are no clubs, bars, and fewer available women.
Though if I were you I'd just plan on staying for two years instead of one, living reasonably well, and living a good life. If you don't like it after a year then try somewhere else. But a year is a long time to save like scrooge. |
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EuroFunk

Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: jobless in Busan
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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I think if you shopped around, you can find a job that pays more than 2.1
The first month is always hard since you are spending money. I spent no more than 20,000won per day (you have more flexibility) and I managed to save more than a grand per month. If you slip up, there are your bonuses to help you out at the end of your contract. |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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If money is your #1 motivator you should work at a hagwon instead of at public school...you can find a job that pays 2.3-2.4 fairly easily and these schools often offer overtime if you want it.
If you truly live as a miser, you can get by on 400,000/month and easily save $1500/month, even with the lowest paying job, with your bonus that puts you at around $20,000 in one year. This would be pretty tough to live that way for a year...but you can save $15,000 in a year without too much trouble at all. |
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Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Location: New York
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I was thinking that it would probably make more sense to teach in a rural area to prevent temptation... I believe there are some bonuses or increases in pay for teaching in rural schools?
On a side note: I try to work as little as possible. That is to say: I require very little material goods in order to live a simple, cheap lifestyle. I'd rather work a reasonable amount of hours at an EPIK school compared to a less-reasonable amount of hours at a hagwon (where they'd probably be hassling me all the time anyway).
So on to the second part of this thread:
Should I sign up for TEFL courses during the coming year to prepare for Korea? I've heard they run as much as $2,000 to become certified, and their effectiveness is questionable. I have no teaching experience-- I'd like to actually teach these kids something while I'm there-- but cannot decide whether the certification is monetarily worth it or even needed... Will my masters degree in English be enough to persuade somebody to hire me?
Input? |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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People who spend a year abroad and have no fun confuse me....
C'mon, enjoy it... |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Your BA and heart beat will be enough to get you hired.
If you want to become an effective teacher for the least amount of capital....go to the library and check out "How to Teach English" by Jeremy Harmer...if you can internalize everything that he has to say you'll be off to a pretty good start.
If you're willing to spend a little more than zero dollars...then buy that book instead of checking it out.
He also has another book, The Practice of English Language Teaching, that is slightly more advanced than the original How to Teach English....but I would just start with the first one and then take it from there.
You are correct that it is much easier to save in a rural setting without the temptations of Starbucks and Burger King...you can buy a bicycle for 100 bucks (a crappy one, but that will last a year) and entertain yourself just by exploring the countryside. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I was thinking that it would probably make more sense to teach in a rural area to prevent temptation... I believe there are some bonuses or increases in pay for teaching in rural schools?
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Yep, I make like 800k more than most of those Seoul jobs paying only 1.8 to 2.1 including my after school classes pay. It's true the pay is a bit more in other areas far outside of Seoul. While Seoul might offer a more rewarding cultural experience, the pay is lower and the cost of living is going to be higher unless you live modestly resisting temptation of all the things to do that cost money. I will have saved 6 million won in my 1st 3 months by the end of May which is about $5200 not counting my after school pay I'm due to receive all of this Summer for the semester. I'm shooting for saving $20,000 after taking 2 vacations to give me a chance at making a future career move for a better lifestyle than perpetually broke with little or no options. I just don't hardly spend much as the shopping and entertainment is not all that appealing and I'm not out to prove any social status by showing off fancy things. Instead, I'm playing computer games, watching downloaded movies, hiking, and resting on my time off for the most part. I enjoy time alone as a practical way to get away from it all. It does get on my nerves to be outside and around people too much when I'm too much the center of attention. I don't like that part of this deal. I like to fit in and relate better with others so I don't want to my life on hold like this for too long. Well, this is one of the most non-English speaking least touristy countries in the world so it does feel very awkward to me outside of some parts of Seoul. Almost illicit.
If my Summer and Winter camps pay extra which my co-teacher told me they do, then you can figure more, because I understand those don't pay in Seoul. I'd want live in the city for sure if only we had alternative energy to put most of the pollution problem to rest. I can't stand all the smoke stench the cities offer. When you are in your 20's, you don't think of this sort of thing, but later on, it matters. Even my smallish city is bad in the city center, especially so with diesel exhaust, the odors cooking fuel overheating aluminum pots, rotting things no one apparently can find to rid the place of, and raw open sewers with only thin concrete slabs covering a small shallow ditch in the sides of the streets for a city sewer. It's amazing how different a small stinky city is when you walk 15 minutes away from the center of all the action to a mountain trail. Good to have fresh air, hiking, and outdoor gym within 15 minutes walk instead of 1 hour subway and 30 minutes or whatever the case may be living up in the capital city. This allows for an after work escape from the stresses of a hectic schedule in a bustling, but smallish city. If only we could move away from the use of petrol and deep fat frying...
Overall, I'd say the stingiest of the stingy could save $25,000 depending on the job and lifestyle. You can drink tap water, go without food, have no internet, turn your water heater off, and sit home on vacation, but that's too uncomfortable to save about 250,000 more a month. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:23 am Post subject: |
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I agree with the 400,000 won poster -- having lived very frugally early on in my time here, 400,000 won is a very safe number to plan on -- most uneventful months, you will actually have money left from this, and in the months where additional expenses come up (dental work, a weekend you just HAVE to get away, splurging on a meal now and then), you are still covered.
...so you can save whatever your take-home is over 400k.... |
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Depths of My Soul
Joined: 04 Apr 2010 Location: In The Sun
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Hey OP. Why does someone so (very) good looking even need to take a loan in the first place?  |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:41 am Post subject: |
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thegadfly wrote: |
I agree with the 400,000 won poster -- having lived very frugally early on in my time here, 400,000 won is a very safe number to plan on -- most uneventful months, you will actually have money left from this, and in the months where additional expenses come up (dental work, a weekend you just HAVE to get away, splurging on a meal now and then), you are still covered.
...so you can save whatever your take-home is over 400k.... |
I think that 600,000 is a better number, and the one that I shoot for...you can save most of your money and still have a very good time (as long as you are smart and have 3-4 really cheap days to save your spending money for the weekend)...400,000 is doable, but it would suck. 600,000 is the tipping point for me where you can still have a good time but make massive progress towards your savings.
Before I went on this savings binge I spent around 1,000,000 per month....1 million is a good number if you want to be able to do whatever you want without being careless with your money. |
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Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Location: New York
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Depths of My Soul wrote: |
Hey OP. Why does someone so (very) good looking even need to take a loan in the first place?  |
I don't really understand what my good looks have to do with paying for grad school? |
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