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gjwilliams1980



Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Manchester, England

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: Pension advice for British national Reply with quote

I need some advice on the Korean NPS


I work in a private Hagwon on an E-2 visa

I have been in Korea for 2 months and have received a letter saying to enrol in the pension scheme.

English nationals do not receive a lump sum on contract completion like US and Canada but pay the contribution in any case. This is then paid to your UK pension scheme (NI) I presume as we have a scheme set up between Korean and UK.

Basically I don't want to pay and I'm pretty sure my school would prefer not to pay their contribution. I'd like my money to be paid to me now and not when I'm 65/70! I will earn enough N.I. in U.K. to do that anyway.

So how do I avoid having to pay it!

Thanks in advance for your help
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Hotwire



Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Location: Multiverse

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though it is illegal, many directors ignore national pension.

You just have too sell it to your boss corectly.

Eg - 'We both pay 40,000 each a month, 480,000 a year into it and no one ever sees it back. It's money down a black hole. If you want I'd be happy not to pay it as British people don't get it back, so it doesn't benefit me and if you don't pay it, it saves you 50% of whatever the monthly paymentr is. What do you think?'

I would also during free time pop into the pension office and check if your boss is actually paying it, if they claim they are. Some, knowing as a Brit you wont have need to try and claim it, will deduct it from your paycheck and tell you they are paying it. You lose 90,000 or so a motnh and they save the same. then if you find out from the PensionOffice they are not paying it you can pursuade them into giving you half of the non paid pension each month OR a lump sum on top of your severance. Otherwise you report them and they get in trouble.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't.

Everyone has to pay it up front and then try to claim it back later if they want. Everybody.

Oh, and BTW, I don't think it's actually transferred to your N.I. in the UK....it stays here in Korea. Even after you leave.

I've been following this for 10 years and Ive never heard of any Brit getting any of their pension money yet. I know.....it's stupid.....I've paid in around 15,000,000 over the years. I get a statement every year to show how it has increased.
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Hotwire



Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Location: Multiverse

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eamo is correct. Once you are of pensionable age for a Korean you can come to Korea and collect on your pension.

See ya'll here when we are 65!
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hotwire wrote:
Eamo is correct. Once you are of pensionable age for a Korean you can come to Korea and collect on your pension.

See ya'll here when we are 65!


I'm planning to spend my retirement in Korea getting drunk, wearing fishing vests and shouting at foreigners.

Can't wait.
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dumpring



Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Auckland, NZ

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any idea what would happen if you're working here on a UK passport but never really lived there? I've never signed up to any UK pension plan, just opted out of the New Zealand one where i'm a permanent resident.
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Hotwire



Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Location: Multiverse

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
Hotwire wrote:
Eamo is correct. Once you are of pensionable age for a Korean you can come to Korea and collect on your pension.

See ya'll here when we are 65!


I'm planning to spend my retirement in Korea getting drunk, wearing fishing vests and shouting at foreigners.

Can't wait.


Awesome. I'll be the guy accross the street sitting on a soju crate mixing kimchi in a huge washing basin announcing aloud that

'My the winds are strong this spring. Aaiiish! Aigo! They must be jealous of the fair flowers! My wife made me two fried eggs with panchan this morning, she is a good wife.'
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aske



Joined: 25 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are employed as an independent contractor the NPS is not a requirement. This also means you must pay 3.3% income taxes.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aske wrote:
If you are employed as an independent contractor the NPS is not a requirement. This also means you must pay 3.3% income taxes.


No. You still have to pay into pension whether you are an independent contractor or employee. The difference is that you pay it all as opposed to your boss paying half.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gjwilliams1980 wrote:
So how do I avoid having to pay it!

Simply don't pay it. It's not like it will take a lot to convince your boss to agree with you. Just be aware that it is illegal to not pay it, so don't cry if/when you get caught and are fined several million (PLUS forced to backpay all the premiums you didn't pay). Also, pension and medical insurance are linked, so you'll have to not pay your insurance either.

eamo wrote:
BTW, I don't think it's actually transferred to your N.I. in the UK....it stays here in Korea. Even after you leave.

No, it is transferred to the British system. I've had British friends do it before they left Korea. Don't ask me what the procedure is. I didn't inquire.
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adamwatch



Joined: 10 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:19 pm    Post subject: British pension Reply with quote

I got this e mail from the British Pension people. It seems to suggest we Brits are getting a very raw deal here in little America!

Dear Mr ****

Thank you for your e-mail dated 23 December 2009, regarding contributions paid into the Korean National Insurance scheme.

I can confirm that there is no reciprocal agreement between the United Kingdom and Korea. Because of this, any insurance paid into the Korean National Insurance scheme cannot be transferred to your UK National Insurance records to enhance your UK State Pension.

I regret a more favourable reply cannot be given.

Yours sincerely

Brian Tilmouth
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