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K-pop the only venue for women to express their sexuality?
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hagwonnewbie



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:22 am    Post subject: K-pop the only venue for women to express their sexuality? Reply with quote

Koreans tend to be reserved socially. However, I have noticed attractive young women are given the green light to shake it publically IF they are dancing to Pop music. That seems to be the extent of it.

Just curious if other ex pats noticed this, too.
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Bloopity Bloop



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: K-pop the only venue for women to express their sexualit Reply with quote

hagwonnewbie wrote:
Koreans tend to be reserved socially. However, I have noticed attractive young women are given the green light to shake it publically IF they are dancing to Pop music. That seems to be the extent of it.

Just curious if other ex pats noticed this, too.


Very interesting question. I guess I noticed it... now that you mention it.
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Koreadays



Joined: 20 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually I find it sad and pathetic really. I mean these girls are forced by their management to dress slutty and sexy and show off all their bodies, shake their asses and act like all sexual. a lot of these girls are under 18 years old!

sure fun to look at first, but after a while it becomes pathetic that they need to do that to sell albums! and its not just a couple of the girl bands doing it. Its all of them.
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conrad2



Joined: 05 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an alternative "venue" for Korean women to express their sexuality.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Girls in all countries, in the entertainment industry, usually strut around in skimpy outfits. What I find criminal is that these girls don't see much of the money they make for their managers. The Korean entertainment industry needs reform and the more horror stories of abusive management that go public, the financially better for these young entertainers.
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever see an interview with a Korean pop star? Their personalities certainly aren't going to sell music.

There can't be all that much money in it to begin with. Who buys music in Korea when you can easily download or just watch the video posted in a million different blogs? And concert revenue has to be split between the ten different performers featured, each singing a song or two.

The big players in the Korean music industry are all about manufacturing hit singles, having them performed on the live (debatable) TV shows, whoring them out to every ad campaign that'll have them, releasing them individually on CDs with five different remixes and finally simply moving on to the next fresh face when their performers reach their mid-twenties.

Bah.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreadays wrote:
actually I find it sad and pathetic really. I mean these girls are forced by their management to dress slutty and sexy and show off all their bodies, shake their asses and act like all sexual. a lot of these girls are under 18 years old!


Forced? Come now, young Korean ladies would be lining up to do it if given the offer. These young ladies aren't forced to do this, they're willing partners. If they weren't, they'd simply be discarded; there's nothing unique and special about them, such that they can't be casually replaced.

Koreadays wrote:
sure fun to look at first, but after a while it becomes pathetic that they need to do that to sell albums! and its not just a couple of the girl bands doing it. Its all of them.


They need to do it to sell their albums because their albums are terrible. They aren't selling albums, they're selling an image.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
What I find criminal is that these girls don't see much of the money they make for their managers.


Why should they? They in their own persons add very little actual value to the end product; they are to the image being sold as mannequins are to a fashionable piece of clothing. Almost any reasonably attractive female with a remotely decent singing voice could take their place. They're essentially menial labor, and from that perspective, they're certainly not poorly paid, and they realize it, which is why they persist in their course.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
jvalmer wrote:
What I find criminal is that these girls don't see much of the money they make for their managers.


Why should they? They in their own persons add very little actual value to the end product; they are to the image being sold as mannequins are to a fashionable piece of clothing. Almost any reasonably attractive female with a remotely decent singing voice could take their place. They're essentially menial labor, and from that perspective, they're certainly not poorly paid, and they realize it, which is why they persist in their course.

Just saying that for most their shelf life is limited and they should strive for a larger part of the pie.
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as the money's concerned, they seem that they make most of their money off of product promotion, tv appearances etc. Record sales are not high in Korea, and then the money has to be split nine ways for a huge girl-group.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The big 9 girl group is each members' gateway into acting/solo performance/fashion/endorsements/dramas/rich husband/TV personality/whatever.

I remember back in the day when mp3 first came on the scene I was thinking K-pop had a pretty good business model for the digital age. For one, CDs were priced at a pretty reasonable 8 bucks (in the U.S. with shipping!). The CDs came loaded with goodies that made it worthwhile to purchase the album. Some had some pretty unique packaging. I remember one had an 'aquatic' theme and came in this bubbly package that had blue liquid surrounding the case so the album cover looked like it was underwater. The low price tag + goodies actually made a purchase feasible. Since then costs have meant it makes as much sense to buy an album as it does for me to persist in drinking beer over the soj.

I wondered how they managed to make a dime between the sleazy execs, managers, manufacturers, etc.- then I figured that the money probably came not from the CD itself, but from the associated celebrity that goes with the CD. Performances, TV appearances, Auctioning off Kangta's old sweaty sock, movies, endorsements, etc.

In the digital age, anyone who tries to make money off of CD sales is a dinosauric moron. They should take that philosophy right over to Blockbuster Video and Kodak film.

I really do miss the glory days of K-Pop from about 1994-2001 there really was an energy to the whole scene. Was it artistically great? Not really. Was it absolutely wonderful entertainment, you bet. There was some meaning to the songs, they had a natural vibe to them. There was an innocence to everything. I think it was really great to find pop music that hadn't been overly 'sexed'. There was a sorta, "woah, we can make pop music now, what do we do?" mish-mash haphazard random enjoyable naturalism to it.

And I agree that music snobbery holds back music enjoyment. Being unable to enjoy pop music, standards, and catchy songs is just denying oneself the pleasures of life and ultimately the people who do so are lying to themselves. Really they do like it, they are just so wrapped up in 'image' (ironic huh?) that they refuse to 'stoop to the level' of enjoying pop/catchy songs.
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreadays wrote:
actually I find it sad and pathetic really. I mean these girls are forced by their management to dress slutty and sexy and show off all their bodies, shake their asses and act like all sexual. a lot of these girls are under 18 years old!

sure fun to look at first, but after a while it becomes pathetic that they need to do that to sell albums! and its not just a couple of the girl bands doing it. Its all of them.


That's not all they are forced to do when it comes to sex if you know what I mean. I have not heard figures but even Korean newspapers run articles decrying the rampant sexual favours prospective pop star women are forced to give up in order to please their bosses.

There was an article not a month ago about a Taiwanese Pop star who was already famous back home and tried to make it here and went home disillusioned after being repeatedly forced to meet with managers and executives and being propositioned and being under duress to provide her 'services' in order to further her career. She wrote a book on it. It was only a month ago.

As for the OP. I see enough flesh every day at my Uni and when I am walking around town at night to know that your opening proposition is false. Girls here wear less clothes than back home and the mini skirts and very very mini. THis is in class and shopping, at restaurants everywhere. Then they go out and get drunk with Obba and...
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rollo



Joined: 10 May 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IN the old days in Hollywood , Jack Warner would interview an actress, the first thing he would say was take off your clothes and go lay down on that couch. those that didnt, didnt make movies at Warner Brothers.

Women ahave always been taken advantage of sexually in the entertainment busines. But has been written no one is forcing these women. The payoff can make it worth while.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many Korean women express their sexuality in love motels. The places are boomin'.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

liveinkorea316 wrote:
Koreadays wrote:
actually I find it sad and pathetic really. I mean these girls are forced by their management to dress slutty and sexy and show off all their bodies, shake their asses and act like all sexual. a lot of these girls are under 18 years old!

sure fun to look at first, but after a while it becomes pathetic that they need to do that to sell albums! and its not just a couple of the girl bands doing it. Its all of them.


That's not all they are forced to do when it comes to sex if you know what I mean. I have not heard figures but even Korean newspapers run articles decrying the rampant sexual favours prospective pop star women are forced to give up in order to please their bosses.

There was an article not a month ago about a Taiwanese Pop star who was already famous back home and tried to make it here and went home disillusioned after being repeatedly forced to meet with managers and executives and being propositioned and being under duress to provide her 'services' in order to further her career. She wrote a book on it. It was only a month ago.

As for the OP. I see enough flesh every day at my Uni and when I am walking around town at night to know that your opening proposition is false. Girls here wear less clothes than back home and the mini skirts and very very mini. THis is in class and shopping, at restaurants everywhere. Then they go out and get drunk with Obba and...


Not just the women. I've heard the guys have had to service various wealthy adjummas. Who knows maybe various ajosshis as well.

Life ain't easy being on MBC.
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