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Woman Kicked Off Flight After Accusing Pilot of Drinking
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Do you think there should be consequences for being wrong in this case?
YES
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 43%  [ 7 ]
NO
56%
 56%  [ 9 ]
Total Votes : 16

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Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:50 am    Post subject: Woman Kicked Off Flight After Accusing Pilot of Drinking Reply with quote

Women kicked off Delta flight after reporting she smelled alcohol on pilots breath.


Woman Kicked Off Flight After Accusing Pilot of Drinking

A Southern California woman is kicked off a Delta Airlines flight after reporting that she smelled alcohol on the pilot's breath.

Angel said the captain spoke to her and the three other passengers. After he walked away, said Angel, another passenger asked if they had smelled alcohol on the pilot's breath.

"A gentleman standing behind me asked, 'Did anyone smell that? It smelled a little like vodka,'" said Angel. "We all agreed that he did smell alcohol, but we didn't know if he had been drinking or what we should do about it."

Angel said she volunteered to talk with the head flight attendant once aboard the plane.

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"The manager wanted to hear what I had told the flight attendant," said Angel. "He then told me the captain took a test that proved he did not have anything to drink."

Angel said the manager then thanked her and she returned to her seat on the plane. At this point, she thought it was over.

"About 20 minutes later, the Delta manager returned with a female colleague and they asked me to gather my belongings and follow them off the flight," said Angel. "I was so embarrassed."

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"If you think someone is drunk, you owe it to yourself, your loved ones and other passengers to report it," said Aimer, who is also a retired United Airlines captain. "However, in this case, because the captain had not been drinking, Delta made the right decision by asking her to leave the plane."

Aimer explains that in situations like this, flights usually end up delayed or canceled because the captain will take himself off the flight.

"It's an either you or me situation," said Aimer. "She had to go because the captain has his crew and hundreds of other passengers to think about."


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Woman-Kick...
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let this be a lesson to everyone - Never question anybody in a uniform.

I guess she learned her lesson, huh? Next time she should fly Aeroflot, then she can really smell the vodka.
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Joined: 31 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm, I wanna say "Free speech!", but as a private company, they can act however [Mod Edit] they want, as long as they refund her money.
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Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:23 pm    Post subject: Good point Reply with quote

Well. The pilot was completely cleared. So she was completely wrong.

If you watch the video of the woman, you will see someone who sincerely believes she did the right thing, yet , what she did was wrong.

By continuing to not admit that she made a mistake only serves to justify what actions were taken.

Try walking into anyone's place of business and accuse them of incompetence. Do you really think the work is going to proceed?
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The Happy Warrior



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted no, there shouldn't be consequences in this case. Nevertheless, it doesn't offend me that there were consequences. I think its quite natural and permissible to remove her from the plane under the circumstances, but its hardly laudatory.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Happy Warrior wrote:
I voted no, there shouldn't be consequences in this case. Nevertheless, it doesn't offend me that there were consequences. I think its quite natural and permissible to remove her from the plane under the circumstances, but its hardly laudatory.


Complimentary to whom, Warrior?

The pilot or the airline?

Unless there is a dark conspiracy here, and the airline "covered up" his actual situation and he was really drinking, she falsely accused an airline pilot of being unfit for duty.

What I am getting at is that I believe that most people would have not done what she did because of faith in the men and women who fly our commercial planes, and not believe that they have to "act on their civic duty," and end up being wrong, where being wrong has significant consequences not only the the pilot she is accusing, but to the safety of the other passengers on board.

Anyone can make a mistake, and that is understandable, but if you make a mistake like this one , you are going to have to pay a price. I do not believe the pilots decision to remove her from the plane was punitive, although I am sure he enjoyed that a little. I do believe she became a "wild card" , that could have caused more danger to the passengers had she remained aboard.


So why did she believe that she smelled alcohol when she actually did not?

How did her need to evoke her "civic duties" figure into her perceptions?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see any reason to remove a passenger from a flight under circumstances like these. So long as she was reasonably respectful and simply motivated out of a concern for safety rather than trying to harass the pilot in question she not only did nothing wrong, but actually was acting in the potential interests of everyone involved.

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I do believe she became a "wild card" , that could have caused more danger to the passengers had she remained aboard.


How so?
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temporarily remove both her and the pilot until alchy tests are done. If she was wrong but seemed motivated by genuine concern (such a person would profusely apologize when informed of the outcome of the tests) give her a business class upgrade for the next flight and some vouchers.
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recessiontime



Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they said he was cleared, but we are all taking their word for it. We really have no idea what happened. It's possible that there was no test at all or a cover-up by the airline.

Either way, she should not be kicked off the plane. This is a potential case for litigation.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait a minute. You mean to tell me that she believed the pilot was drunk, yet still was willing to fly in his aircraft?

If she really thought that, she should have taken herself of the flight.

That should be the rule: if you think the pilot has been drinking and a test proves he is not, you must leave the flight.

Put up or shut up.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's like "You think he's drunk? Well we think you trippin, chickenhead! Get off my flight 'fore I slap yo azz off it"
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The Happy Warrior



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
I don't see any reason to remove a passenger from a flight under circumstances like these. So long as she was reasonably respectful and simply motivated out of a concern for safety rather than trying to harass the pilot in question she not only did nothing wrong, but actually was acting in the potential interests of everyone involved.


Right, and this judgment is at the discretion of the airline. They made their call. Not exactly admirable of them, but understandable.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Happy Warrior wrote:
Fox wrote:
I don't see any reason to remove a passenger from a flight under circumstances like these. So long as she was reasonably respectful and simply motivated out of a concern for safety rather than trying to harass the pilot in question she not only did nothing wrong, but actually was acting in the potential interests of everyone involved.


Right, and this judgment is at the discretion of the airline. They made their call. Not exactly admirable of them, but understandable.


Yes, they were within their rights to do what they did; I'm not sure of the basis upon which recessiontime is saying this is grounds for litigation. If people don't agree with the decision, the answer is to avoid doing business with this particular airline in the future.
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shifty



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She should most definitely have been removed from the plane. If the plane had gone through turbulence or some wobbly and she came out with her notions there would have been uproar.

Reminds me of this grumpy old lady who was buying some breadrolls. As she was attempting to pay she said, "These aren't fresh, you know".

Well, the cashier snatched them away from her and said that in that case she couldn't have them. The look on the old bag's face was priceless.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What she did was fine. She simply posed a question, and it was answered. There was no reason to remove her form the plane if she was simply sitting in her seat.

If she was causing trouble, fine. But simply posing a question is not trouble.

Why could the plane not have flown with her aboard? What was she DOING that prevented that?
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