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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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 Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:11 am Post subject: Koran burning |
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Here is the latest report from BBC News.
I wish I could be there to see the event, because I'm sure it will be exciting.
I ordered a copy of this preacher's book from Amazon, but they are out of stock at present.
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US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning
A small US church says it will defy international condemnation and go ahead with plans to burn copies of the Koran on the 9/11 anniversary.
The top US commander in Afghanistan warned troops' lives would be in danger if the Dove World Outreach Center in Florida went ahead.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the church's plan was "disrespectful and disgraceful".
Muslim countries and Nato have also hit out at the move.
And the US Attorney General, Eric Holder, called the idea "idiotic and dangerous".
But organiser, Pastor Terry Jones said: "We must send a clear message to the radical element of Islam."
Speaking at a State Department dinner marking the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Hillary Clinton condemned Pastor Jones.
"I am heartened by the clear, unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act that has come from American religious leaders of all faiths," she said.
Despite having a congregation of just 50, the plans of Pastor Jones' church in Gainesville have gained worldwide notoriety, sparking demonstrations in Afghanistan and Indonesia.
Gen David Petraeus, the top US commander in Afghanistan, said on Monday that the action could cause problems "not just in Kabul, but everywhere in the world".
"It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems," he said in a statement.
The Vatican, the Obama administration and Nato have also expressed concern over the plan.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said on Tuesday that "any type of activity like that that puts our troops in harm's way would be a concern".
Evangelical Christian Church in Gainesville, Florida, with 50 members
Founded in 1986; led by the Reverend Terry Jones since 1996
Follows the Pentecostal tradition
Calls on Christians to "return to the truth and stop hiding", and to "speak up against sin"
Says Islam "is of the devil" because it teaches that Jesus is not the son of God
Nato chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen blasted the plans, telling reporters that burning Korans violated the Nato alliance's "values".
Pastor Jones - author of a book entitled Islam is of the Devil - has said he understands the general's concerns but that it was "time for America to quit apologising for our actions and bowing to kings".
Another pastor at the church told the BBC that members intended to burn several hundred copies of the holy book on Saturday evening, the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, in defiance of an order by the city not to hold an open air bonfire.
Muslims consider the Koran to be the word of God and insist it be treated with the utmost respect. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect to the holy book is deeply offensive to them.
An interfaith group of evangelical, Roman Catholic, Jewish, and Muslim leaders meeting in Washington on Tuesday condemned the proposals as a violation of American values and the Bible. |
Where will they get several hundred copies of the Koran?
Will they purchase them?
If so, then they are helping Islam financially. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| Listening to Corolla on the way from work today, I thought he made a good point. Surely if people are free to burn a flag they should be free to burn a book. Of course I should be free to burn bibles as well. Unlikely but I might get the urge. |
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IMF crisis
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| "It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems," he said in a statement. |
Remember when the whole world was aghast at the Taliban destroying the Buddhist statues at Bamiyan and other places throughout Afghanistan? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/taliban-destroy-ancient-buddhist-relics-694425.html
Destroying completely replaceable books doesn't seem like such a big deal to me. |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, people burn US flags all the time(especially on this little peninsula). People also burn bibles. Why is the Koran so sacrosanct? That preacher has every right to burn it. Too bad I can't be there to throw a copy on the fire. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Koran burning |
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| tomato wrote: |
Where will they get several hundred copies of the Koran?
Will they purchase them?
If so, then they are helping Islam financially. |
If they buy an English translation of the Koran from Penguin books (or the equivelent), how is that helping Islam financially? And one can get the koran (in both English and Arabic) for free from the Saudi Arabian embassy.
And there is nothing illegal about the action, it is just bigoted and dumb. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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I'll defer to Voltaire on this one.
If you legally purchase something and follow local fire regulations, feel free light it up.
Though if there are people who would threaten violence in response to it, I'd burn one in their face just to screw with them. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder how many members of this church have ever even knowingly met a Muslim. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| There is a difference between having the right to do something and something being the right thing to do. This pastor is a man of God in name only. Why is it a wise idea to antagonize another faith, especially when it could possibly instigate more violence. The man in charge has never even read the Koran. The whole thing is stupid and misguided. |
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Man on Street
Joined: 28 Aug 2010
Location: In the Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder how many members of this church have ever even knowingly met a Muslim. |
I'm sure some of them have run into "One a' them Mohammedan towelheads" somewhere along the line. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Man on Street wrote: |
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| I wonder how many members of this church have ever even knowingly met a Muslim. |
I'm sure some of them have run into "One a' them Mohammedan towelheads" somewhere along the line. |
Perhaps, though they'd more than likely be simply guessing at the person's religion based on skin tone and, perhaps, head garb than actually knowing they were Muslim. Remember the black construction worker wearing a head covering who wandered through the Islamic community center protests? People started harassing him on the false pretext he was a Muslim.
I did just read that the pastor claims to have been recently threatened by a Muslim woman. Whether it was an, "I'm going to kill you," threat, a, "Beware God's offense at your actions," threat, or an, "I just made this entire story up to rile up my congregation," threat, I don't know. |
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
Location: Somewhere
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Haha, it is the "terrorism threat level" for sins. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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"Where you burn books, there will you burn people"
What a dumb idea! Thats it, teach the kids to burn books and hate others. America will be a Great nation...if it survives the next 20 years  |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Article here.
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US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind obedience."
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In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out, because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.
A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he says.
Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones' behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of the congregation carry out work.
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Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of "spiritual abuse," Sch�fer said. According to Sch�fer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.
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Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By the end, Sch�fer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people. They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very poor conditions.
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By the end of 2007, the community had had enough. Members confronted him and tried to change the direction of the church. But Terry Jones refused to make changes, they say. In the end, Jones, his wife and their fellow preachers were expelled from the church and he moved back to the US. "The community imploded," says Sch�fer. It only has some 80 active members today. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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with all the crap Christians have done throughout history (Crusades, Inquisition, Imperialism) it is hypocritical of them to say it is "perfectly fine" to burn a holy book- which will enrage its followers and put our servicemen in greater danger.
Anyway, a country cannot succeed against a religion. Judaism and Christianity outlived the Romans, Islam will be here long after America collapses. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| There is a difference between having the right to do something and something being the right thing to do. This pastor is a man of God in name only. Why is it a wise idea to antagonize another faith, especially when it could possibly instigate more violence. |
Because the first commandment is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
The punishment for this is "Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (Deuteronomy 2:33-34, Numbers 21:34-35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 6:21. Joshua 10:40) In some cases you can keep the girls alive for raping. (Numbers 31:15-18 )"
I'd say the Muslims are getting off pretty lightly with a mere book-burning.
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=16785 |
I did a bit of Google work, and it turns out that Landover Baptist is a parody of right wing Christians, not the actual thing. explains a lot. |
Every religion has it's nutjobs. Of course not all Christians advocate such garbage, just as not all Muslims advocate jihad and suicide bombings. |
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