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ab10
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: Where to live... please help or give opinions! |
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Hi. I'm applying for a position to teach English in South Korea. The description says "Recipients will be placed at schools in rural areas in need of greater exposure to English". We can put a preference of where to live, and have several choices. Currently I'm looking at the southern provinces, particularly Jeju, Busan (outlying region), Gyeongnam and Jeonnam. Can anyone give me some pros or cons of these places? Opinions?
I don't really need a large city, but hope to travel on the weekends and go to several temples, festivals, etc. Also, I hope to travel to Japan, Thailand and China at some point as well.
Any advice, opinion or information is helpful... THANKS! |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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At the risk of sounding like an ass, trying to give an answer to your question is like explaining color to a blind man.
The answers you might get make may make sense to someone who has been here and will have no meaning or context to someone who has not.
You'd be better off using google earth and wiki pedia so at least you will have some clue what you are asking / talking about.
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ab10
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I didn't make it clear in the original post that I have done a lot of research... I've read 2 guides and asked other people their opinions, I just thought it might be nice to get some personal opinions from more people that have lived/worked in South Korea. Sometimes guides might make something sound wonderful and practical, but in reality things might be a little different.
I suppose that I'd like to hear opinions of anyone willing to give their's, and if I don't understand then I'll do research!  |
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toadkillerdog
Joined: 11 Nov 2009 Location: Daejeon. ROK
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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If it is on your list of choices, I'd go for Jeollanam-do. Rural but the food is good and plenty of outdoors activities to choose from. |
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Afghankush
Joined: 12 Aug 2010 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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I found this guy's post a while back. Makes great sense.
Basically, NEVER live in a place like Jeollanamdo. Unless you
like mental institutions and taking prozac.
"Cohiba's Rule"
Think twice before you live outside of Seoul. "In Seoul" and
"outside of Seoul" are like two different countries. Seoul
is an interesting place with variety and venues for most
tastes. Outside of Seoul you will find a homogeneous Korean
culture. I don't mean this in a bad way, but you will never
find things like: French, Greek, Indian or any other ethnic
foods. Markets that sell sherry, pate, pastrami, ricotta cheese.
Specialty shops that sell Cuban cigars, European pies, cold
cuts or rye breads. Just to name a few things. Also clubs such
as photography, drama, public speaking, sailing are 99% in
the capital city. If you want to experiment with a very Korean
culture, which unfortunately means "closed", then choose the
countryside. If you want to make money and have the lifestyle
choices similar to a western country, then there is no other
choice than Seoul.
The FFF RULE: FFF=Fun For Foreigners.
If FFF in Seoul = 100, then FFF decreases at
1/distance. So 2km from Seoul FFF=1/2(100)=50;
10km from Seoul FFF=1/10(100)=10. This rule is
a rule for nightlife, food and foreign products only.
Nature etc. is on a different scale altogether.
This means you will be wasting a lot of time commuting
to Seoul. This is especially a drag if you have been
boozing on a Friday night and there are no buses or
trains.
I, unfortunately, live near Seoul where the FFF factor
is almost in the negative range. I know! |
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schlotzy
Joined: 10 Mar 2010 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Busan. There's no question about it.
Tons to do there in Busan. Easy transport to basically anywhere. Great foreigner scene. Beaches. Some decent Western food with more opening every week. Easy access to mountains, hiking, surfing, other outdoor activities.
Unless you HATE being in cities, Busan is the best choice. |
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ab10
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Thank you all for your responses! Any others would be greatly appreciated!! |
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Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:05 am Post subject: |
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schlotzy wrote: |
Busan. There's no question about it.
Tons to do there in Busan. Easy transport to basically anywhere. Great foreigner scene. Beaches. Some decent Western food with more opening every week. Easy access to mountains, hiking, surfing, other outdoor activities.
Unless you HATE being in cities, Busan is the best choice. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Afghankush wrote: |
I found this guy's post a while back. Makes great sense.
Basically, NEVER live in a place like Jeollanamdo. Unless you
like mental institutions and taking prozac.
"Cohiba's Rule"
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Cohiba's Rule is bunk. There are a lot of other great places to live and work, both big cities and small!
Edit: Sorry, did not mean to sound so blunt, but that is essentially my opinion. |
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Jacknife
Joined: 12 Aug 2010 Location: Seoul, of course.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Sector7G wrote: |
Afghankush wrote: |
I found this guy's post a while back. Makes great sense.
Basically, NEVER live in a place like Jeollanamdo. Unless you
like mental institutions and taking prozac.
"Cohiba's Rule"
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Cohiba's Rule is bunk. There are a lot of other great places to live and work, both big cities and small!
Edit: Sorry, did not mean to sound so blunt, but that is essentially my opinion. |
Cohiba's Rule is GOSPEL. I am so glad I read it before I came here.
I live in Seoul and it's a blast. I have a friend that lives in something
called a Daejon and he spends billions coming here every weekend
to party and meet people. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:59 am Post subject: |
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toadkillerdog wrote: |
If it is on your list of choices, I'd go for Jeollanam-do. Rural but the food is good and plenty of outdoors activities to choose from. |
Not if you don't like seafood. The food's better up north if you aren't a seafood person; especially the side dishes, although it is true that the ingredients and general handiness with food is superior down in Jeolla. The produce is definitely better quality down in Jeolla; especially fruits.
Look, Jeollanamdo is nice and all but it's a backwater. You'd be better off going up near Seoul or down to Busan. I think a lot of people think they are going to like the rural experience, but it just tends to mean that *everything* is the same and you just can't get what you crave if you're a foreigner.
You also have to remember, the jobs simply get worse the further south you go. This is especially true with university positions. I have a pretty broad experience of this and trust me, the holiday, pay, vacation and general professionalism of the workplace fall into oblivion once you get south of Daejeon (and the uni jobs in Daejeon are pretty rubbish in terms of hours/vacation etc.) Heck, once you get south of Line 1 it's all pretty drastically going downhill. |
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ab10
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: |
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The pay will be a set amount by the program I'm going with. And I'm given a specific number of holiday and sick days.
So food could be an issue, so definitely take that into consideration.
What about festivals, temples, etc? Things to do and such?
Thank you all for your responses! I can't wait to hear more! |
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asc422
Joined: 23 Feb 2009
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Change your recruiter.
I'd really, really think twice about living in the actual sticks. It seems like a good idea to become submerged in Korean culture, etc. It isn't. I'm pulling this number out of thin air, but I'd estimate 9/10 people in rural areas in the southern provinces are slowly going insane.
Why?
- small town drama, gossip
- you have to like the other foreigners in your area out of necessity
- every Korean will know who you are & where you work
- you'll be under a microscope
- ain't trash to do in these places except drink to blackout
It's okay to live in Gyeonggi-du during your first year. Jobs in the 'burbs are plentiful. You still have schools throwing themselves at you for these positions. Actually, it's really not so bad in places like Ansan, Suwon, or Anyang. Your town will feel like a big city for a few months. Also, you'll be on a subway line so you'll be able to ride for 45 mins or so to Seoul on the weekends. I'd almost recommend it.
You'll get a great feel for Seoul without having to be in the middle of the hustle and bustle (something that might overwhelm some people). You can also learn how everything works with less pressure (simple things like riding a bus in Seoul are a nightmare if you don't know what to do). But, after about 6 months you'll grow to resent the fact that you don't actually live in Seoul.
Why?
- all your dates will magically live on the other end of Seoul
- you'll get drunk in Hongdae or Itaewon and pass out on the subway at 6 am and wake up in North Korea (joking and sorta true, it's annoying to wake up at the end of the line) ... you won't be at your apartment until something ridiculous like 10 a.m. b/c you can't stay awake
- some cool event like a soccer game, snowboard show, or pool tournament will happen in Seoul during the middle of the week and you'll have to miss it because of work & your commute
There will be lots of stuff like that which adds up. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Jacknife wrote: |
Cohiba's Rule is GOSPEL. I am so glad I read it before I came here.
I live in Seoul and it's a blast. I have a friend that lives in something
called a Daejon and he spends billions coming here every weekend
to party and meet people. |
So one guy(your friend) likes Seoul better than his city(Daejeon) and that means all other places in Korea are bad places to live?
I am not knocking Seoul at all- I am sure it's a blast. But I have lived in Busan and Daegu-both big cities with large expat populations and they were both great. Partying was not my top priority, but if it had been, neither city had a shortage of things to do. I have also lived in a town of around 300,000 and it was pretty cool too. Seoul is not the only place to live, just saying! |
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