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The Great Wall of Whiner



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:19 pm    Post subject: America will charge it's most closest allies an entry fee Reply with quote

The United States of America is now charging it's most trusted and closest international friends a fee of 14 dollars to enter the country.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html

These are countries that have no travel restrictions or visa requirements for short periods of time. Trusted friends of the United States like Australia, New Zealand, Spain, and other countries.

Now however, America is holding out their hands with cap in hand and saying "Please gov'na! Help us! Give us money when you come visit us!"

I would never charge my friends an "entry fee" when I invite them into my home. It's a slap in the face to the international community, and insulting.
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stilicho25



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are broke. We will be selling someone the grand canyon next.
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The Happy Warrior



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of all the awful things my country has done, I can't get worked up about this.

Its $14, no visa.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: America will charge it's most closest allies an entry fe Reply with quote

The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
The United States of America is now charging it's most trusted and closest international friends a fee of 14 dollars to enter the country.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html

These are countries that have no travel restrictions or visa requirements for short periods of time. Trusted friends of the United States like Australia, New Zealand, Spain, and other countries.

Now however, America is holding out their hands with cap in hand and saying "Please gov'na! Help us! Give us money when you come visit us!"

I would never charge my friends an "entry fee" when I invite them into my home. It's a slap in the face to the international community, and insulting.


This is only for the countries on the visa waiver program. Hardly the "international community."
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Patrick Bateman



Joined: 21 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: America will charge it's most closest allies an entry fe Reply with quote

The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
The United States of America is now charging it's most trusted and closest international friends a fee of 14 dollars to enter the country.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html

These are countries that have no travel restrictions or visa requirements for short periods of time. Trusted friends of the United States like Australia, New Zealand, Spain, and other countries.

Now however, America is holding out their hands with cap in hand and saying "Please gov'na! Help us! Give us money when you come visit us!"

I would never charge my friends an "entry fee" when I invite them into my home. It's a slap in the face to the international community, and insulting.


Countries act out of self interest. Countries aren't friends.

Oh, and U.S. citizens must have an Australian visa or ETA to enter the country. The cost of the ETA? AUS $20. I'm not sure about the other countries you named, but that sounds fair to me.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UrbanMyth, 36 out of 200 or so countries is almost 40/200 which is 20/100, which is about 20% or 1/5th.

I am not sure how you personally define 'international', but you have say...36 widget factory owners from 36 different countries all sitting at a table discussing the price of widgets, then you my friend have an 'international' discussion on the price of widgets.

So, yes, it is not only the international community, but the countries with the closest ties to America.

And to say that countries don't have friends is absurd. When 9/11 happened, a lot of people in Canada mourned, and many firemen and policemen from Canada took time off work to travel to New York and offer whatever assistance they could.

Sounds kinda like something a good friend would do...
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next they'll be charging exit fees at the airports. It's a disgrace.

Or even worse maybe they'll become like Indonesia and if you don't have any dollar bills handy at immigration because something happened at the airport and you forgot or haven't had time to hit the money exchange there will be people waiting in uniforms in front of immigration ready to extort you.

Or if you come to the USA all the time they'll pull you aside and ask for a $30 dollar present to enter the country.

What's happening to the basic dignity of the American people? Who the hell wants to come to the USA?


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Patrick Bateman



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:

And to say that countries don't have friends is absurd. When 9/11 happened, a lot of people in Canada mourned, and many firemen and policemen from Canada took time off work to travel to New York and offer whatever assistance they could.

Sounds kinda like something a good friend would do...


Countries have no emotions, people do. You mention individuals acting (beautifully) all on their own.

If a Korean/Canadian/etc. does something to me I don't think it's representative of the country.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrick Bateman wrote:
The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:

And to say that countries don't have friends is absurd. When 9/11 happened, a lot of people in Canada mourned, and many firemen and policemen from Canada took time off work to travel to New York and offer whatever assistance they could.

Sounds kinda like something a good friend would do...


Countries have no emotions, people do. You mention individuals acting (beautifully) all on their own.

If a Korean/Canadian/etc. does something to me I don't think it's representative of the country.


Ok, fair enough.

But if time and time after time, a Nadorian (fictional nationality) from the country of Nador (fictional nation) points at you and shouts loudly "Apples are blue!" and the government has instructed all teachers to teach all Nadorian children from a young age to point at strangers and shout "Apples are blue!" even though most people generally know this to be false, would you concede that this is a reflection not only on the people but also on the nation and a whole, including the government and culture?

(Sorry for run-on sentence)
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Fox



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of the $14 fee, $4 will go towards application costs, and $10 will go towards the promotion of the United States as a tourist destination.

The $4 fee for processing costs seems completely reasonable; if someone wishes to come here, they should be liable for the costs of any application process that exists. The $10 dollars to be used for promoting the United States as a tourist destination, on the other hand, seems undignified. Not evil, or even particularly worth making a fuss over, but somewhat undignified none the less.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stilicho25 wrote:
We are broke. We will be selling someone the grand canyon next.


True dat. While $14 is not bad for a visa entry, China is charging Americans $140 for a tourist visa and they are our primary trading partner, but charging much less for all other nationalities. You are right, the future of our national parks is in jeopardy.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/16/nation/la-na-arizona-parks16-2010jan16

Many had to close this year. Fees for everything are going to increasingly become a fact of life. People are increasingly demanded to open their wallets wider, but the job market and economy are offering fewer and fewer opportunities. I believe eventually the Chinese and Indians will own much of the country as they are in the money in their US based businesses to buy anything they want with cash. Not only are those doing business in the US in the money, China and India has new money going on in a big way. As wealth leaves America in the form of Americans buying imports and American investors investing in emerging economies overseas, this empowers foreigners to scoop up any real estate deals to be had. Who's going to buy? Those with cash and economic opportunity or those in debt and under employed? The 21st century is nothing like the 20th century. To put that into perspective, compare the 19th century to the 20th century. That's apples and oranges.


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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
UrbanMyth, 36 out of 200 or so countries is almost 40/200 which is 20/100, which is about 20% or 1/5th.

I am not sure how you personally define 'international', but you have say...36 widget factory owners from 36 different countries all sitting at a table discussing the price of widgets, then you my friend have an 'international' discussion on the price of widgets.

So, yes, it is not only the international community, but the countries with the closest ties to America.

And to say that countries don't have friends is absurd. When 9/11 happened, a lot of people in Canada mourned, and many firemen and policemen from Canada took time off work to travel to New York and offer whatever assistance they could.

Sounds kinda like something a good friend would do...


Canada has some of the closest ties with America in the world...something like 2/3rds of our trade goes there or did until rcently. And Canada is not being charged this. Again this only applies to the visa waiver countries not to the international community at large. 1/5th is hardly a slap in the face as this does not affect most countries at all.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: America will charge it's most closest allies an entry fe Reply with quote

Patrick Bateman wrote:


Countries act out of self interest. Countries aren't friends.


i wish more people would use this line of thinking.
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is sad for me as an American to say, but frankly, this is what I would expect of a developing country.
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Hotwire



Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Location: Multiverse

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: America will charge it's most closest allies an entry fe Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:


Countries act out of self interest. Countries aren't friends.


i wish more people would use this line of thinking.


Except for that fact that it's not completely true.

For example.

Two countries act out of mutual self interest. Said mutual actions lead to a reccurance of said countries acting out of mutual interest in the future. Thus a relationship has been established. This relationship continues for X ammount of time and often leads to the two countries being more closer tied than before and generally acting in the international community for mutual interest / benefit. Said countries also share possibly; a language, culture, perspective and viewpoint. They grow perhaps to have a long history of their mutual interests being very closely linked.

We can see this in blocs such as NATO / Warsaw etc. Or in the Us / UK or China / NK relationship in some aspects.

Very simmilar to friendships in my opinion.

Shared interest, shared sense of history, common bonds of language, culture and a shared history over decades or centuries.

Thoughts?
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