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verne1
Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Location: Montana
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:27 am Post subject: Thoughts or experiences teaching in Thailand or Vietnam |
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Change of pace. I am thinking about ESL in ASIA. I have traveled extensively, I eat asian food, I studied martial arts. To me, today, there is nothing magic about Korea specifically. I am not so sure China is appealing.
Any thoughts to share on teaching in Vietnam, Thailand, or ? |
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hondaicivic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Location: Daegu, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Thoughts or experiences teaching in Thailand or Vietnam |
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verne1 wrote: |
Change of pace. I am thinking about ESL in ASIA. I have traveled extensively, I eat asian food, I studied martial arts. To me, today, there is nothing magic about Korea specifically. I am not so sure China is appealing.
Any thoughts to share on teaching in Vietnam, Thailand, or ? |
well.......in thailand and vietnam it's lower pay but lower cost of living. Moreover, there's more of the "me love you long time girls" in those countries, especially in thailand. If you're a guy, you would probably be into that kind of stuff. |
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interestedinhanguk

Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts or experiences teaching in Thailand or Vietnam |
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hondaicivic wrote: |
verne1 wrote: |
Change of pace. I am thinking about ESL in ASIA. I have traveled extensively, I eat asian food, I studied martial arts. To me, today, there is nothing magic about Korea specifically. I am not so sure China is appealing.
Any thoughts to share on teaching in Vietnam, Thailand, or ? |
well.......in thailand and vietnam it's lower pay but lower cost of living. Moreover, there's more of the "me love you long time girls" in those countries, especially in thailand. If you're a guy, you would probably be into that kind of stuff. |
What a mature post .
verne1, there's forums on this website dedicated to different countries, including Thailand and Vietnam (requires separate registration). The Korea board is not the place to find this information, unless you're looking for a comparison.
Asian food is pretty broad. Also, Vietnam isn't big on the martial arts, from what I can tell. However, Korea might be one of the best places for that. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts or experiences teaching in Thailand or Vietnam |
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interestedinhanguk wrote: |
Also, Vietnam isn't big on the martial arts, from what I can tell. However, Korea might be one of the best places for that. |
For martial arts, you can't beat China.  |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts or experiences teaching in Thailand or Vietnam |
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verne1 wrote: |
Change of pace. I am thinking about ESL in ASIA. I have traveled extensively, I eat Asian food, I studied martial arts. To me, today, there is nothing magic about Korea specifically. I am not so sure China is appealing.
Any thoughts to share on teaching in Vietnam, Thailand, or ? |
So you want a change of pace, you like to be a tourist, you eat Asian food and like to fight; none of which relate in any way to being a teacher.
Do you have any qualifications other than being American?
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts or experiences teaching in Thailand or Vietnam |
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ttompatz wrote: |
So you want a change of pace, you like to be a tourist, you eat Asian food and like to fight; none of which relate in any way to being a teacher.
Do you have any qualifications other than being American?
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Oh, please...get off your high horse. There are plenty of folk who come over to Asia to teach without a lick of experience. This guy is hardly the first. This is NOT the fault of the applicant, but the fault of the market. If Korea and other Asian countries stop hiring teachers without experience then they will stop coming. Conversely, the schools that are willing to pay more money and give greater autonomy to their staff in turn can require that their teachers be qualified.
Mentioning an interest in martial arts is hardly akin to "liking to fight", and clearly liking Asian food would be a relevant factor in determining whether one might be suited to living in Asia or not.
To answer the OP's question:
You are 100% correct in that there is nothing magic about Korea...that being said, there is plenty here to keep you busy for a couple of years, and one thing that Korea has going for it is that it is by far and away the single most bizarre country and strangest culture in the world, so there is something to be said for living somewhere so backwards and weird for a year or two.
Living in Korea for the long term is certainly a dreadful thought, but for a couple years you'll have a really great time, and it's much easier to get your ESL career started here than it is in SE Asia. Your flight and housing will all be taken care of for you, and you can arrange your job online all in advance.
We taught in Vietnam as well and it was certainly far more interesting and vibrant than Korea, but the money wasn't as good (but it was still OK) and it was super hectic there (granted, we lived in HCMC)....the weather is nicer in Vietnam, and yes, things are cheaper, but I'd still recommend coming to Korea first, save up some money, and then you can move to SE Asia after a year with some money behind you, if that's what you decide to do. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Not on my high horse. Not even on a pony and I don't give a rats azz about what the schools' request or the market demands. If the immigration departments would allow a work visa / work permit with a simple high school diploma then I would suggest jumping on a plane and hopping right over...
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Just dealing with immigration in most countries can be an adventure in itself and with the US economy in the toilet there are more and more people with nothing more than a high school diploma and the prospect of long term unemployment hoping to become EFL teachers abroad and they will have to deal with the vagaries of the various immigration departments in the different countries.
Now back to the topic at hand....
hmm... where in the OP did it indicate any experience or qualification of any kind other than as a tourist?
A BA would be a good start. Do you have one? Hard (but not impossible) to get legal work as a teacher without one in most countries (especially in Asia).
A TESOL certification would be nice (even necessary in some countries if you are lacking a BA). Do you have one?
Perhaps a clean CRC would be a good thing?
Are you a rehabilitated drug dealer looking for a clean start? Might make things more difficult.
Perhaps there is something as innocuous as a DUI or an old mischief charge hidden back there? It will still make it difficult or impossible to work abroad as a teacher in many countries (Korea among them).
If there is anything on the CRC you can rub Vietnam, Korea, and Taiwan off your list of potential countries. If you are applying for a "B" visa (to work as a teacher) from a Thai embassy/consulate in the US they will also demand a clean CRC before they will issue a visa.
Any background at all other than liking Asian food, martial arts and enjoying travel - none of which will get you an E2 (or "B" visa with work permit in Thailand)?
If the OP is interested in illegal work, just hop on a plane and hit the language academies in the country of interest. You can always find temp work (enough to extend your vacation) but you won't make enough for a comfortable lifestyle for a long period (again, visa issues).
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verne1
Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Location: Montana
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Air76 thanks for the input, I appreciate. I'll move to the appropriate forum and repost.
ttompatz, I am going to put your name in the hat for the Miss Congeniality award. I think you may have to tighten up a bit for runnerup, however.
My post suggested that I was aware of the religions and cultures, and that I wouldn't have to hang out at Costco to enjoy a meal.
But mostly for you MC, I have a BS, have taught technical classes at the college level. Having said that, most of teaching has been out of doors, nonetheless dealing with youth. I have a National Youth Soccer Coaches License which I have enjoyed the past 6 years, have coached basketball with 13 and 14 year olds, once held an International Ski Instructors Certification, taught whitewater kayaking and basic mountain climbing skills in the Alps; and helped put myself through school teaching martial arts privates.
So my classroom work is a little light, of late..................but I am a quick study, love kids, and still love to learn. One thing I have learned to do, is find the "spark" in nearly all my students. |
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