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hxnxymxn
Joined: 08 Aug 2010
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: Poor me! |
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Hey you, eslcafe.com, I need to know just how bad is my situation?
I've been in Incheon for 3 days and I'm stressed and miserable - christ! I started smoking cigs again after steady quitting for 2 years. Am i just a softy with a bad attitude, or would any sane person spend their first paycheck on a flight back to the USA?
Here is my situation:
Working for a hagwan in Incheon, there are 3 other Korean teachers and 1 other foreign teacher. The other foreign teacher is on vacation however, until the middle of October, which is a drag because I could really use some grounding and perspective about just how I'm supposed to do a competent job.
Now here are the things I hate so far,
1. My windowless apartment replete with cockroaches. Can I make it my home? Will a thorough cleaning and some decoration make me feel at home here? It is important to like the look of your home - we're clay after all, formed by our environment, if my environment is a windowless rat trap, what will I become?(!??!?!?)
2. I have no clue how to lead these classes. No training, no other teachers to guide me. All I have are some half-baked books to lead lessons. From these books I have to draw out 50 minutes of class time with only 4 pages of material every day.
3. Semi-crooked director. Pension? No pension. Medical insurance? No medical. Sure, it's in my contract, but apparently the contract binds the employee and not the employer, go figure. But can I expect any better? (apparently she pays on time, and the other foreign teacher has worked here for 3 years, so she can't be that crooked unless he is a complacent masochist)
4. Insufferable little brats. Two kids in particular are impossible. Throwing sh*t around, yelling and goofing off. I'm going to try bribing them with a prize bucket today, we'll see how it goes.
Otherwise the kids are good manered.
5. 19 classes per week (50 minutes each) was quickly revealed to be more like 25 classes per week. Is this way too much? I can't tell yet.
Ok so there you have it. Is this going to get any better or will it spiral into despair, premature balding, chain smoking, etc.? Thanks in advance for some feedback! |
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Jane

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Hey.
Without demeaning your situation at all, but it seems like it's the same things that happen again again to teachers when they come over. Crappy apartments, little direction, lack or hurting material, contract problems.
For one thing, you do not have to live in a cockroach infested apartment. Maybe your director isn't aware of the problem. Tell them you will not live there anymore. It isn't the standard back home, nor here.
I think things will be different when the other foreign teacher returns from vacation. If they are cool enough, they will probably give you a lot of valuable teaching advice and general information. It's also comforting to be able to discuss contractual problems with the foreign teacher to get their opinion--they've been there for 3 years, right? So maybe best to wait the couple of weeks until the teacher gets back before taking action.
The apartment however, you don't have to live there. In Korea, it is important to be tactful but firm when complaining or requesting things. Keep that in mind when and if you decide to confront your director. If you have given the job an honest shot and have shown potential to be a valuable employee, your director should be more open to your complaints.
If you makes you feel better, I think I had a similar experience. I got hired across the country at a hogwan just outside Seoul in 2003. I was given a basement apartment without a single appliance or piece of furniture: no stove, fridge, bed, etc. Nothing. I stuck it out a week, and told the director that I would work for free until they could find a replacement (and until I could find another job). I actually really liked the people and students (only only 4 days a week of work wasn't so bad), but I knew it wasn't a good match for me. I still think fondly of the workers at that hogwan.
In any case, give it time, it's only been 3 days. You will eventually get into a routine: you will find your favorite local restaurants, good coffee show, cool people to hang out with.
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jonpurdy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Location: Ulsan
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Poor me! |
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| hxnxymxn wrote: |
1. My windowless apartment replete with cockroaches. Can I make it my home? Will a thorough cleaning and some decoration make me feel at home here? It is important to like the look of your home - we're clay after all, formed by our environment, if my environment is a windowless rat trap, what will I become?(!??!?!?) |
Don't live there. Windowless? I lived in a place with a big window facing the building next to me (five feet away). It was a nice and super clean place but the lack of view drove me crazy. I moved a year later.
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2. I have no clue how to lead these classes. No training, no other teachers to guide me. All I have are some half-baked books to lead lessons. From these books I have to draw out 50 minutes of class time with only 4 pages of material every day. |
This takes practice. Might I suggest an online TEFL course to help you get on your feet? If I didn't start at a public school with good co-teachers I don't know how I would have started off. If you have no peer support, I'd look into online classes.
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3. Semi-crooked director. Pension? No pension. Medical insurance? No medical. Sure, it's in my contract, but apparently the contract binds the employee and not the employer, go figure. But can I expect any better? (apparently she pays on time, and the other foreign teacher has worked here for 3 years, so she can't be that crooked unless he is a complacent masochist) |
I think depending on the number of employees working for the hagwon she might not have to pay this. I'd insist on it anyway and make sure you get it, especially since it's in the contract.
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4. Insufferable little brats. Two kids in particular are impossible. Throwing sh*t around, yelling and goofing off. I'm going to try bribing them with a prize bucket today, we'll see how it goes.
Otherwise the kids are good manered.
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Make examples of the worst kids. The other ones will fall in line. It's a tad bit late but the first encounter with any kids should always show your disciplinarian side. Ease up as time passes and their behaviour stays good.
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5. 19 classes per week (50 minutes each) was quickly revealed to be more like 25 classes per week. Is this way too much? I can't tell yet. |
That sounds pretty good for a hagwon. Most are 30 classes per week, though your pay might be lower than those hagwons.
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Ok so there you have it. Is this going to get any better or will it spiral into despair, premature balding, chain smoking, etc.? Thanks in advance for some feedback! |
Wait a month or two and see how you do. It'll definitely get better, though I'd deal with your housing situation very quickly. Your house is your primary base and you need it to feel like home.
Perhaps others who have actually worked at hagwons (I've only done PS) can chime in and fill in the details about pension, medical, and starting off teaching at a hagwon with no experience. |
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mmstyle
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: wherever
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Poor me! |
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| hxnxymxn wrote: |
Here is my situation:
Now here are the things I hate so far,
1. My windowless apartment replete with cockroaches. Can I make it my home? Will a thorough cleaning and some decoration make me feel at home here? It is important to like the look of your home - we're clay after all, formed by our environment, if my environment is a windowless rat trap, what will I become?(!??!?!?)
2. I have no clue how to lead these classes. No training, no other teachers to guide me. All I have are some half-baked books to lead lessons. From these books I have to draw out 50 minutes of class time with only 4 pages of material every day.
3. Semi-crooked director. Pension? No pension. Medical insurance? No medical. Sure, it's in my contract, but apparently the contract binds the employee and not the employer, go figure. But can I expect any better? (apparently she pays on time, and the other foreign teacher has worked here for 3 years, so she can't be that crooked unless he is a complacent masochist)
4. Insufferable little brats. Two kids in particular are impossible. Throwing sh*t around, yelling and goofing off. I'm going to try bribing them with a prize bucket today, we'll see how it goes.
Otherwise the kids are good manered.
5. 19 classes per week (50 minutes each) was quickly revealed to be more like 25 classes per week. Is this way too much? I can't tell yet.
Ok so there you have it. Is this going to get any better or will it spiral into despair, premature balding, chain smoking, etc.? Thanks in advance for some feedback! |
That sucks!
Yeah, you may end up going, but if you are going to try and make it last:
1. Dude, this really sucks. Can't make windows. Re: the roaches, get yourself some (pakee-bollae sal-jung-jae) or (cockroach killing spray) if you can. I dunno if my romanization is very good. Cleaning will not get rid of them most of the time. It is going to depend on your neighbors. I used to live over a restaurant and will never do it again, for just this reason.
2. What age do you teach? Start by getting their attention. (video, song, etc). Go over relevant vocab. Keep the worksheets simple enough to not be too intimidating, then build the skills over time. Make a list of activities that you can constantly recycle until you get used to teaching.
3. Your director is responsible for these things unless you have been signed up as an independent contractor (if it is in your contract they should be a regular employee. Call the national insurance and pension and report the bastard. They will demand the money, or he will face a fine. This is NOT okay. Edited to add: as another poster said, pension may depend on the number of other employees, but he does need to get you insurance.
4. Place them outside of the class. (ie, kick 'em out) Do not reward bad behavior, reward good behavior. For example, lavish good kids with praise (and, if appropriate, a small prize). Make sure that the bad kids are aware of bad behavior when it happens so that they understand why they receive nothing when the time comes. Do not give too much for good behavior or the kids will expect it too much.
5. How many are in your contract? Did you agree to overtime? Are you receiving O.T. for anything beyond your contract? Can you recycle stuff from one lesson into others so that you are doing a reasonable amount of prep? Search for relevant phone numbers using this link:
http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=006359271486458796786:_ooozypbm6u
6. (unsolicited advice) Take care of yourself first, don't get too run down too quickly. Be realistic about what you can do, and decide for yourself if it is too much. I was thrown into the fire as soon as I jumped off the plane, was promised help from co-workers that amounted to nothing, pulled out a lot of hair, and eventually worked through it.
Good luck.
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mmstyle
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: wherever
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Poor me! |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
FIRST:
Stop. Take a deep breath. Slow down. You are not doomed nor are you necessarily in hell on earth.
take the problems one at a time.
Shock: you are 1/2 way round the planet, nothing is familiar and you are in shock. It is normal. It will improve as you settle in.
Housing: typical hagwan housing - one room villa (about the size of a large walk-in closet). Deal with your roaches (get a can of bug spray and ask your director about an exterminator), get some internet at home so you don't go stir crazy and add some pictures from back home (I assume your school has a color printer - if not, photo shops are everywhere and prints are CHEAP).
Work:
Typical for a hagwan - no medical or pension. You probably have 3.3% written into your contract as a tax rate too. Your employer is crooked but pretty standard for most hagwan owners. It is not the end of the world.
25 classes is actually low for a hagwan. 30 classes of 50 minutes (per week) is pretty much the standard for language academies.
Teaching:
There are LOTS of resources available to you to assist you in planning, supplemental work and fun activities.
What ages are the kids?
I assume from your post that you have elementary kids?
Do you also have to deal with kindy in the mornings as well or do you just do elementary/middle school kids in the afternoon/evenings?
The best way to deal with kids and 50 minute classes is to break your time down. Young learners have short attention spans (depending on ages; 10-20 minutes) so you need to keep it moving or you will lose them to boredom and then your behavior problems begin.
Kids come to class.
Spend 2-3 minutes on a warm-up activity. A song with actions works pretty good for kids up to about grade 6. If they are a bit older (middle school) then you want something a little more age and level appropriate as your warm-up.
Spend about 10 minutes on your basic lesson development (teaching, demonstrating, showing what you want them to learn).
Do another fun type of (related) activity for 2-3 minutes. Wake up the bum to wake up the brain.
Spend 15 minutes on practical use of the target language for the day. Roll plays, listen/repeat, practice.
Do another quick fun activity (2-3 minutes) to get them focused again.
20 minutes left, spend 15 on review and reinforce what you learned in the last class.
Spend your last 5 minutes on a closing activity - let them leave smiling and happy (or as happy as they can be after spending 10 hours of their day in a classroom).
Does it take some work on your part to actually prep your classes = yes.
Sorry but you can bite the bullet and put up with kids who are bored and act out (5 minute prep at the copy machine) or do your job as a teacher, keep them occupied and learning and have a great year with them.
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mmstyle
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: wherever
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Jane wrote: |
For one thing, you do not have to live in a cockroach infested apartment. Maybe your director isn't aware of the problem. Tell them you will not live there anymore. It isn't the standard back home, nor here.
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True. I can also attest to hard this can be to actually change. |
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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010 Location: Multiverse
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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I can't stress enough that if you feel isolated and lonely then get yourself to Itaewon in Seoul this weekend.
First off, it will take your mind of things, you know the excitemnt th journey etc.
Secondly yo can easily met other foriegners and find familliar foods and books stuff liek that.
Nothing eats at the Soul more for me than isolation from other English speaking people. I did it last year in Cheongnamdo, had not ONE friend there amongst the 5 or so others forigners. It was okaty forme as I have been here qite a while an dhave long term friends to call and visit in Seoul. But had it been my 1st month, it would have been very tough. I was lucky at my 1st jo in Korea int hat the hakwan had 9 other foriegners there.
So get out this weekend, treat yourself to a nice lunch and some comfort purchases and try to talk to people. |
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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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dumpring
Joined: 06 Apr 2010 Location: Auckland, NZ
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to Incheon.
Roaches are part of the territory, just nuke em when you see em and they shouldn't trouble you for long.
Your Job sounds better than Average, the other foreign teacher being there 3 years IS a good sign.
Not having a window blows, but it's manageable - Not having appliances/bed etc is much worse.
Where abouts in Incheon do you live? The first week is always like that. If you can meet some other people and have a drink you'll find it's a lot less stressful.
Just keep your head up, it ain't great but it could be worse. |
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SKinPRC
Joined: 29 Apr 2010 Location: China
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:16 pm Post subject: Poor you, indeed |
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I'm getting active and joining the TESOL Fair Employment Standing Committee.
Post photos of your horrid apartment on: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1534575@N23/
A Flickr group for EFL teachers.
This has got to stop. We're human! Would your director ever live in such a place? No. Only a foreigner is expected to.
You deserve better and should not have to arrive and live in such a bad place. Paid training should be required of all hogwans. Guess the government doesn't care that their young citizens get taught at exploitive schools. |
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Somewhere
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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For the roach problem you can try the hillbilly bug bomb. Just heat a can of Raid up on your stove, stand by the door, shoot the can with a BB gun, and shut that door tight.  |
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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| dumpring wrote: |
Welcome to Incheon.
Roaches are part of the territory, just nuke em when you see em and they shouldn't trouble you for long.
Your Job sounds better than Average, the other foreign teacher being there 3 years IS a good sign.
Not having a window blows, but it's manageable - Not having appliances/bed etc is much worse.
Where abouts in Incheon do you live? The first week is always like that. If you can meet some other people and have a drink you'll find it's a lot less stressful.
Just keep your head up, it ain't great but it could be worse. |
I've seen one roach just outside of my apartment in the past 3 months of living there, and I'm in Incheon.
In my old apartment (a few floors down), I saw 4 in the entire year that I spent there (twice in the bathroom [they like water], and twice on my garbage when I forgot to take it out for a few days). Throw your garbage out every day, and don't be a slob with food, and they'll have no reason to visit you. I also pour bleach down my drains and into my toilet once a week. I did this at my very nice apartment in NYC as well. When you live in an apartment, expect to see the occasional roach. If, however, it is an infestation, you'll need professional help or a move.
I keep a can of raid in the cabinet under my sink, and another one near the toilet, because--let's face it--if you're on the can and see a roach, you're going to want that spray close at hand. |
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ThingsComeAround

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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Forget Itaewon.
Get yourself to Bupyeong (as its easy to reach and still "in Incheon") and just walk around till u see some foreigners.
See Itaewon during the day, then return at night. Big diff  |
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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010 Location: Multiverse
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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^^
Come on man, some of us do have some b#lls and a sense of adventure and are not scared or upset by some rowdyness, lewdness or grit.
Jeez some people would have you believe Itaewon at night is some circle of hell when really it is kind of fun and tame. |
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