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Prof5319
Joined: 04 May 2012
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:47 am Post subject: Getting a job with less than stellar academic marks |
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I have recently applied and had an interview with a recruiter. It was my first experience interviewing for a teaching job. I have a BA, as well as a teaching certificate from my state here in the U.S. I was offered a job following the interview through an email that noted the various cities in which jobs were available. Also in the email was a paragraph detailing reasons for which an employment offering could be rescinded. I addressed this concern with the recruiter, it had to do with how many "F's" you incurred during your time in college. Their cutoff was no more than 4. As I detailed to the recruiter, my time in college was often marred by deaths in my family that took a severe emotional toll, where I had little concern at the time for my college career. Following my degree, I took certification coursework at an accredited university and did exemplary academically. When I received a reply to my concerns I was told that the schoolboards were strict on the academic guidelines and that the job offering was being rescinded.
My questions are such:
Is this a common concern in hiring teachers in Korea, or the decision of a sensible recruiter looking to secure the best candidate for their school?
Should the BA alone, regardless of academic performance suffice to get a job?
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Should I have not addressed my concern to the recruiter concerning my academic performance at all, such that the detail would have been overlooked in my hiring process? Did I shoot myself in the foot?
Any help and experience you can lob my way will be greatly appreciated. I have always wanted to teach in Korea and believe I have the skill set to do so, regardless of what my transcripts say of my academic performance. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Is this a common concern in hiring teachers in Korea, or the decision of a sensible recruiter looking to secure the best candidate for their school? |
If you are applying for the typical E2 visa, you don't have to worry about this. My understanding is that transcripts are not necessary anymore and if they ask for it then it is an in house thing.
If you get a 2,500,000 salary or higher then it's possible you will need to show more credentials. I highly doubt college performance outweighs experience and certification if you have it.
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Should the BA alone, regardless of academic performance suffice to get a job? |
Yes, for a typical E2 visa job.
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Should I have not addressed my concern to the recruiter concerning my academic performance at all, such that the detail would have been overlooked in my hiring process? Did I shoot myself in the foot? |
It was a benign shot. The recruiter is more concerned about getting someone to fill a position for a year. If you got your F because you missed school, then the recruiter might be concerned. If you got an F because of poor performance, the recruiter is not going to care much. If you are competing with another teacher, then perhaps the job will go to them.
Bring up other concerns to cloud the issue like living arrangements, transportation issues, and overtime work. The recruiter will quickly forget you ever mentioned college days.
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I have always wanted to teach in Korea and believe I have the skill set to do so, regardless of what my transcripts say of my academic performance. |
These teaching jobs overseas for the most part are not what you seem to think they are. You are not trained in the sense you will use what was covered. You are there as a native English speaker. Your job is to keep students coming to the hagwon so the hagwon makes more money. If that means dancing like a monkey and letting kids throw crayons on you, then you are only qualified if you are willing to do such clown acts. Other jobs, like with older kids, require you to be patient and keep them interested, or else they will complain and drop out.
Another thing, English is a secondary priority to them. These students are more concerned about math usually. The average E2 job will be teaching 90% students who will never do what the teacher wants them to do, regardless how good that teacher is. The other 10% will be the reason why you come to class. It's really not about you and your qualifications. You are already qualified in their minds by being a native English speaker. Work your way up, get a university job and you will have more to go on. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes F is bad. You see Koreans do not have F scores on their transcripts. |
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Ibsen
Joined: 09 Dec 2011
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:41 am Post subject: |
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I think your best bet would be to just not mention anything about grades or transcripts and see what happens. Out of all the recruiters I used, none of them were concerned with my grades from college. Just do the initial interview with the recruiter and if he/she presents you with schools willing to interview you, then just run with it. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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This is the first time I've ever heard of an employer here even looking at the grades for their native-speaking teachers. It sounds to me like that's just the recruiter's policy, if he turns you down just contact some different recruiters. With your qualifications, you shouldn't have much trouble finding something here. |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: |
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If you actually meet an employer who cares about grades (I never have) then you should just avoid them, because you're going to be nickel and dimed and scrutinized and micromanaged beyond belief. Happened to a friend of mine for the same reason. "...but your grades weren't very good in school, so we wanted to make sure that you did blah blah blah" ad nauseum. |
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Prof5319
Joined: 04 May 2012
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the speedy responses from everyone. I had a feeling that I could get a job regardless of my college performance but it is hard when the first person tells you no and knocks your confidence down a bit. That being said, everything was a good learning experience, even being turned down for a job. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Stan Rogers wrote: |
Yes F is bad. You see Koreans do not have F scores on their transcripts. |
They're just given a passing grade for not going to class to save face. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Weigookin74 wrote: |
Stan Rogers wrote: |
Yes F is bad. You see Koreans do not have F scores on their transcripts. |
They're just given a passing grade for not going to class to save face. |
Or allowed to have an F removed from their transcript altogether. |
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