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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:02 pm    Post subject: The East Sea Reply with quote

I know I'm beating a dead horse (or is it dog?) but I just got my hands on MS-MapPoint 2002 and it says "Sea of Japan (East Sea)". I guess Microsoft doesn't want to piss off the potentially lucrative Korean market and/or deal with hordes of angry Korean hackers?
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lonestar



Joined: 20 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calling it the "East Sea" is akin to the US or Canada renaming the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans the "West" and "East" Oceans. In my old neighborhood in Pusan there were several "West Sea" (known to the rest of the world as the Yellow Sea) restaurants; yes, Virginia, Korea is the center of the universe.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And one more thing- I just noticed that MapPoint uses the old Romanization...
Hello Inch'on my old friend,
I've come to speak with you again...

-Kim & Garfunkel, from the album "Bridge Over Troubled Imjin"
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:00 pm    Post subject: hmm Reply with quote

A couple of months ago I was looking up historical maps of korea on the net and came across one that had the sea of Japan Labled as the Sea of Corea. The map was a few hundred years old.
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Tancred



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what's the story with all that anyway? Should it be the East Sea or Sea of Japan? Who "discovered" it...what's the deal? Why do koreans insist on calling it the east sea other than the fact that they hate the japanesse? Does anyone know?
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Dan



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Sunny Glendale, CA

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i imagine its predominantly known as the Sea of Japan because Japan was more open to the western world, so the western map makes named it what the japanese called it.

I guess the Chinese would also refer to it as the East Sea, but who really knows
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a better look at a Korean road map today, and noticed that the "west" sea was called HwangHae, which means Yellow Sea, don't it?
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FierceInvalid



Joined: 16 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the bracketed (East Sea) fairly often these days. Does anyone know for sure if the Japanese call it "Sea of Japan" in Japanese? Paging matko....
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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They call it Nihon-Kai which means "Sea of Japan"

The general term for sea is "umi" but when referring to a specific body of water they use "kai"

In a previous thread about this topic someone mentioned renaming it "Blue Sea"

I think that's a good idea.

BTW, anyone know what the Russians call it?
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
I took a better look at a Korean road map today, and noticed that the "west" sea was called HwangHae, which means Yellow Sea, don't it?


According to my dictionary (and I double checked the hanja), it sure does!

Sweet. I'm never calling it anything else ever again. Twisted Evil
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Walter Mitty



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
Hello Inch'on my old friend,
I've come to speak with you again...

-Kim & Garfunkel, from the album "Bridge Over Troubled Imjin"

Don't you mean "Kim and Gapunkel?" Smile
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
Zyzyfer wrote:
I took a better look at a Korean road map today, and noticed that the "west" sea was called HwangHae, which means Yellow Sea, don't it?


According to my dictionary (and I double checked the hanja), it sure does!

Sweet. I'm never calling it anything else ever again. Twisted Evil


I'm not sure but I suspect it's only Koreans who ever called 'The Yellow Sea', the 'west sea'. I think what people see as the Yellow sea is more often thought to be the body of water off the east coast of China. Whether this incorpotates the portion west of Korea, I don't know.

I'm getting pretty tired of the whole debate. This argument doesn't happen between the UK and Ireland where the body of water west of Britain is called The Irish Sea. The British seem happy to call it that. Why the different attitude?

Also the body of water between England and France has been named the English channel for centuries without debate. (although I heard the French just refer to it as, 'the channel').

Do the countries that have a coastline on the Indian Ocean debate the name? I don't think so.

This geo-centric (hey!! a new word!!) thinking is a special Korean trait.
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Dan



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Sunny Glendale, CA

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at all like the debate over whether to call a chunk of land Israel or Palestine

I probably have more examples, but my friend John Daniels is preventing me from thinking about them.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
Not at all like the debate over whether to call a chunk of land Israel or Palestine

I probably have more examples, but my friend John Daniels is preventing me from thinking about them.

Still kicking myself for not picking up a map in Syria- they all say "Occupied Palestine".
(and John would be Jack's nasty cousin or something?)
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Dan



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sir, have to go watch Scent of a Woman right now.
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