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Fox
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 Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: Terrorism From Yemen |
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These two articles were at the top of my yahoo email news thread this morning.
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| WASHINGTON � Authorities on three continents thwarted multiple terrorist attacks aimed at the United States from Yemen on Friday, seizing two explosive packages addressed to Chicago-area synagogues and packed aboard cargo jets. The plot triggered worldwide fears that al-Qaida was launching a major new terror campaign. |
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| SAN'A, Yemen � The discovery of two explosive-laden packages sent from Yemen and aimed at U.S. and Western interests represents a new escalation in the terror threat emanating from this violence-wracked, poverty-stricken Mideast country. |
Evidently synagogues in Chicago are synonymous with U.S. and Western interests.
Joking aside, I'm not really one for conspiracy theories, but pretty much anything about "terrorism" these days has started making me immediately wary and suspicious. I really hope this doesn't result in a greater US military presence in Yemen. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. My first reaction was that it is a PR stunt. I think it was probably a fund raising stunt because of the alleged targets. As if Yemen "terrorists" would ship to Synagogues in Chicago. Come on. Who buys ink from Yemen. Wouldn't they want to kill someone that is killing them?
And how come PBS news said it was AQ. How the hell do they know. It was like 6 hours before. For the first 4 hours the story was that planes in the air were going to be blown up. Then we learn that there were no bombs. Now they know who did it? Horse$hit. I don't believe any of this anymore. When there are terrorist arrests it ALWAYS comes out soon after that a government agent provocateur got the "bomb", sold it to the illiterate patsy fools and encouraged the fools to talk a bunch of crap about blowing stuff up.
And and PBS news had on a neo-con from the WaPo (named Something Miller, I wonder if related to War Monger Judith Miller from the NYT?). Then David Brooks. What the hell. It is all horse$hit. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: ... |
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Yemen is a pretty "out-there" place, kind of the Appalachia of the Middle East.
You can go teach there, but it's pretty wild west as you get.
Invading Yemen would be about as smart as a bag of hammers.
The current US President won't, but the GOP...
is about as smart as a bag of hammers. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The US has been blowing people up in Yemem for the last few years with robots controlled from Nevada. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:59 pm Post subject: ... |
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| The US has been blowing people up in Yemem for the last few years with robots controlled from Nevada. |
I might just make that the title of my memoirs. |
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mises
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http://news.antiwar.com/2010/10/29/yemen-officials-packages-didnt-come-from-yemen/
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With the eyes of the world on Yemen and officials pointing the finger squarely at the al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) group based in the nation�s south, Yemen�s government is cautioning against jumping to conclusions, and denying that the bomb plot packages came from Yemen at all.
�No UPS or DHL cargo packages heading to Chicago through Yemen took place in the last 48 hours,� insisted Yemenia Airways� Air Cargo Director Mohammed Shaibah. Officials with the nation�s Civil Aviation Authority insisted that ono US cargo aircrafts left the nation at all in the past 48 hours. |
http://www.yemenpost.net/Detail123456789.aspx?ID=3&SubID=2707&MainCat=3
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| A Yemeni official told Yemen Post that no U.S. cargo aircraft of any American company flew out of Yemen over the last 48 hours. "Whether UPS, Fed Ex, DHL or any other U.S. cargo company left Yemen over the last 48 hours." |
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/world/31terror.html?_r=1&hp
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| WASHINGTON � A day after two packages containing explosives, shipped from Yemen and addressed to synagogues in Chicago, were intercepted in Britain and Dubai, setting off a broad terrorism scare, Janet Napolitano, the secretary of Homeland Security, said that the plot �has the hallmarks of Al Qaeda.� |
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/10/29/obama-vows-to-destroy-al-qaeda-in-yemen/
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| Though he conceded in his speech that officials had yet to conclusively link the plot to the organization, President Barack Obama announced that he intends to �destroy� al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), a large and largely autonomous affiliate of the parent al-Qaeda organization in retaliation for today�s Yemen bomb scare. |
That's interesting.. PBS told me last night that it was AQ.
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Though the packages found within the United States itself amounted to very little, officials say that some of the overseas packages contained explosives, and while they are still being analyzed they appear to have been �intended to do harm.�
And while officials haven�t raised the terror threat level, this appears to be the latest in a growing number of incidents tailor-made for an administration which is forever mulling escalations of its military operations in Yemen.
It may also finally give the CIA the excuse it needs to ratchet up its drone presence from a surveillance operation to a Pakistan-style attack mission. The Yemeni government has balked at such a move, insisting the AQAP organization is comparatively small and the CIA attacks would do massive damage to the government�s domestic credibility. But with the Saleh Administration seemingly more interested in fighting its other civil wars than fighting AQAP, the growing calls among hawks for the US to do �something� about the organization seems like it is inexorably pushing the US toward a more direct role in attacks across the group�s southern Yemen strongholds. |
Here's a good interview with Eric Margolis about Yemen. It is from yesterday:
http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/10/29/eric-margolis-36/
And lastly, here's Hope and Change looking all Commander and Chief w/r/t Yemen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkfSdaGuhro
I don't trust them. |
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Madigan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: |
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The threat hyped up about terrorism by the media and the political class is just that: Hype. Whenever I hear the threat posed by terrorism or Islamic radicalism, I just roll my eyes. Honestly, I wish the hype would just die down. However, there are too many interests that profit from the terrorist fear and hype. Really, as oft cited yet must often be repeated, more people die every year from auto accidents than terrorism. John Stossel puts such media hype in perspective:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4393452 |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| Madigan wrote: |
The threat hyped up about terrorism by the media and the political class is just that: Hype. Whenever I hear the threat posed by terrorism or Islamic radicalism, I just roll my eyes. Honestly, I wish the hype would just die down. However, there are too many interests that profit from the terrorist fear and hype. Really, as oft cited yet must often be repeated, more people die every year from auto accidents than terrorism. John Stossel puts such media hype in perspective:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4393452 |
That's an excellent link, Madigan. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Madigan wrote: |
The threat hyped up about terrorism by the media and the political class is just that: Hype. Whenever I hear the threat posed by terrorism or Islamic radicalism, I just roll my eyes. Honestly, I wish the hype would just die down. However, there are too many interests that profit from the terrorist fear and hype. Really, as oft cited yet must often be repeated, more people die every year from auto accidents than terrorism. John Stossel puts such media hype in perspective:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4393452 |
While it is true that more people die from auto accidents than terrorism, it doesn't mean we should overlook terrorism.
9/11 wasn't just hype. |
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Space Bar
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Terrorism From Yemen |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Joking aside, I'm not really one for conspiracy theories, but pretty much anything about "terrorism" these days has started making me immediately wary and suspicious. I really hope this doesn't result in a greater US military presence in Yemen. |
Exactly. "Terrorism" has just become a word for the bots to respond to. |
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Caffeinated
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Just in time for elections. |
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Space Bar
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Caffeinated wrote: |
| Just in time for elections. |
Cue the coincidence theorists. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Yemen is a pretty "out-there" place, kind of the Appalachia of the Middle East.
You can go teach there, but it's pretty wild west as you get.
Invading Yemen would be about as smart as a bag of hammers.
The current US President won't, but the GOP...
is about as smart as a bag of hammers. |
It's similar to Afghanistan: strong tribes, a weak central government with little control outside the major cities, mountainous, and a shitload of weapons and ignorance. Launching any kind of attack beyond drones and air attacks would be futile and a complete waste of money (although I don't support aerial attacks either).
My Arabic teacher there back in 2004 expressed concern that the US would invade Yemen at some point. At the time I thought he was super paranoid. Scary how his fear might actually become reality in the near future. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:54 am Post subject: |
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AQ is behind the times
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| If the best al-Qaeda's remaining cells can do is hide PETN, a 19th-century explosive, inside a printer cartridge, then perhaps we have already succeeded - far more than we usually realize - in destabilizing at least this particular terrorist threat. We should continue to support the security services and counterterrorism experts who prevented this tragedy and who will prevent others. But we shouldn't let al-Qaeda take too much public attention, diplomatic energy and government funding from the more complicated, and more dangerous, challenges of the future. |
Agreed. It certainly isn't worth starting a new war over. |
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Space Bar
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
AQ is behind the times
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| If the best al-Qaeda's remaining cells can do is hide PETN, a 19th-century explosive, inside a printer cartridge, then perhaps we have already succeeded - far more than we usually realize - in destabilizing at least this particular terrorist threat. We should continue to support the security services and counterterrorism experts who prevented this tragedy and who will prevent others. But we shouldn't let al-Qaeda take too much public attention, diplomatic energy and government funding from the more complicated, and more dangerous, challenges of the future. |
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Is this the same Al Qaeda that is supposed to have those four aircraft, defeating air defense systems of the greatest military ever put together on the planet, and destroyed the headquarters of that military and the NY towers? They could do that, and now can't even hide stuff in a cartridge??
Must be a different one. |
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