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Satchel Paige



Joined: 29 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:44 pm    Post subject: Why do you think some people on here.. Reply with quote

...brag about their current jobs? For example, we often hear from uni instructors on Dave's who claim to make over 3.5 million and/or receive 4+ months paid vacation. Do you think they feel it is their obligation? Perhaps it instills a false sense of security? As an alternative, are they simply arrogant by nature? If the latter is the case, do you think they simply get off by sizing themselves up to others who are less fortune then them??


Just curious..
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valkerie



Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think some people feel the need to clearly show others they have risen above the usual 10 day vacation hagwon job. Mostly they are being thoughtless rather than boastful. (I like to think so at least.)

The thing i find amusing is that I was a uni teacher at home. I have always chosen jobs in Asia based on what was interesting to me at the time. (That has included uni but many other types of teaching/other work too.) I am finishing up a contract that has been quite tough work wise and a part time moonlighter from a uni does some weekend classes. The FIRST thing out if his mouth when I saw him after a long while was 'it must be tough not having had a long vacation'. LOL.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom

PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to tell people when for three years I made 2.5 to work 3-6pm, 15 hours a week. Why? Because it was dang sweet! Now I make less than that and work twice as many hours and don't mention it.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd believe the complaints before I'd believe any of the boasts on here, especially about salaries. Someone once claimed to make over 10 million won per month without teaching seven days a week. Keep dreaming.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I specifically do NOT mention the hours I work or the pay I receive, because I have a better than average gig. If I were getting a raw deal, however, I would have no compunction about detailing my salary, hours, and what I felt were the grievances against me, as seems to be the standard of behavior on this board....

Why is detailing the causes of one's dissatisfaction more acceptable than detailing the causes of one's satisfaction? I'm not exactly certain, but I recognize that it is...however, my question is, why does someone telling you about the sweet deal s/he has bother you?

Hearing about other people's suffering lets us think we have it better, so basically, someone else's sob story is an ego boost for us...but hearing about how good someone else has it does nothing for us, so we don't want to hear it...which makes us pretty selfish and self-centered, if ya think about it....
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thegadfly wrote:
I specifically do NOT mention the hours I work or the pay I receive, because I have a better than average gig. If I were getting a raw deal, however, I would have no compunction about detailing my salary, hours, and what I felt were the grievances against me, as seems to be the standard of behavior on this board....

Why is detailing the causes of one's dissatisfaction more acceptable than detailing the causes of one's satisfaction? I'm not exactly certain, but I recognize that it is...however, my question is, why does someone telling you about the sweet deal s/he has bother you?

Hearing about other people's suffering lets us think we have it better, so basically, someone else's sob story is an ego boost for us...but hearing about how good someone else has it does nothing for us, so we don't want to hear it...which makes us pretty selfish and self-centered, if ya think about it....


If you can sift through the complaints you can learn a great deal about how others are being cheated and you can use that information to avoid being cheated and we all know that cheating foreign teachers is what many do in this industry. As for the boasts, there usually isn't a lot of shared information in those posts. For example, someone will claim "I make 5 million won per month doing corporate gigs." Gee, that's swell, but those posters don't want others to horn in on their action so they typically refuse to tell others how to get to their situation. There's a lot of flash but no real substance in those posts.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thegadfly wrote:
Why is detailing the causes of one's dissatisfaction more acceptable than detailing the causes of one's satisfaction? I'm not exactly certain, but I recognize that it is...however, my question is, why does someone telling you about the sweet deal s/he has bother you?


The phrase "misery loves company" comes to mind.

It will only bother you if you let it bother you. Whenever I hear of someone who has a good gig, I think: 'well good for them.' Plus people would know what is theoretically possible so it gives them something to shoot for.

If this board was all about how everyone was stuck at 2.2 with no room for improvement, it would be pretty depressing.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: Why do you think some people on here.. Reply with quote

Satchel Paige wrote:
...less fortune then them??
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less fortunate? I worked pretty hard for what i have.. Luck had a little to do with it, but only a little. If I was a newb, id want to hear a few success stories to be better informed about my own future.
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two friends at universities. I really don't think they have it better. Both are over worked with one having to get up at 5:30am in the morning to plan stuff. He reguralrly does overtime and has to do planning and preparation on a weekends. One who is 32 has become a chain smoker and has high cholesterol and blood pressure but because of his hours can't address these problems apropriately.

Not sure of their salary but they have to pay for their accommodation including the key money.
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you work in Korea? Just asking because it was mentioned on another thread that you don't, so why do you care all the same??

madoka wrote:
thegadfly wrote:
Why is detailing the causes of one's dissatisfaction more acceptable than detailing the causes of one's satisfaction? I'm not exactly certain, but I recognize that it is...however, my question is, why does someone telling you about the sweet deal s/he has bother you?


The phrase "misery loves company" comes to mind.

It will only bother you if you let it bother you. Whenever I hear of someone who has a good gig, I think: 'well good for them.' Plus people would know what is theoretically possible so it gives them something to shoot for.

If this board was all about how everyone was stuck at 2.2 with no room for improvement, it would be pretty depressing.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:35 am    Post subject: Re: Why do you think some people on here.. Reply with quote

Satchel Paige wrote:
...brag about their current jobs? For example, we often hear from uni instructors on Dave's who claim to make over 3.5 million and/or receive 4+ months paid vacation. Do you think they feel it is their obligation? Perhaps it instills a false sense of security? As an alternative, are they simply arrogant by nature? If the latter is the case, do you think they simply get off by sizing themselves up to others who are less fortune then them??


Just curious..


I know some of these people. They are usually in Seoul where they can teach private lessons. That is the only way I know that they can make that much.
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dongjak



Joined: 30 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it is so uncommon to be making 3.5 at a University, especially if you have been at it for awhile. And you don't have to be working privates to be making that or any university overtime. Also over four months paid vacation is very common, unless you are working at a shituni.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I htink a board that shows both the good and the bad of the job market is a good thing to have. People need to know what is possible.
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