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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:03 am    Post subject: China teaching help Reply with quote

My friend in China is getting a little run down...

He's at a University teaching business English but nothing is planned and nobody other than himself has anything to do with the two hour lessons to 18 ish year olds.

So he must come up with lesson plans every time. I personally think it's not really possible or viable to try to come up with something new and interesting every time, so does anyone have any idea to get through a year like this?

Some kind of routine plan that doesn't get too boring...? I dunno, Every little helps, as Tesco say.

I'd dread it personally, I have everything planned years ahead of me so I don't need to think. But this also means I can't really help him.
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machoman



Joined: 11 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey, i taught in china two years ago at a middle school with ZERO provided materials. i had to make everything from scratch. i played a lot of ppt games with them that i used before in korea. i just changed the relevancy to chinese culture. i wonder if you can still play these kind of games with uni students. in my experience, korean students go crazy over pop culture references, but chinese students LOVE LOVE LOVE anything with numbers/gambling/money.

btw, how often does he see the class?

another good thing to do is to work on a project that takes a while to complete, so that it buys him some time to prepare for the next lesson. in my class, we made english zines. in my after school class now, i make vlogs or video projects with them. so maybe he can set up groups of students to present something.

he can do listening activities. what i do is make a slideshow of my travels and make a statement about each picture, then i make a listening worksheet out of that.

there are good discussion topic books he can buy online. just photocopy the articles, have the students read it and discuss the questions afterwards.

chinese students are accustomed to singing, and my students used to always ask me to teach them a song. what's his background? what did he study?
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: China teaching help Reply with quote

Globutron wrote:
My friend in China is getting a little run down...

He's at a University teaching business English but nothing is planned and nobody other than himself has anything to do with the two hour lessons to 18 ish year olds.

So he must come up with lesson plans every time. I personally think it's not really possible or viable to try to come up with something new and interesting every time, so does anyone have any idea to get through a year like this?

Some kind of routine plan that doesn't get too boring...? I dunno, Every little helps, as Tesco say.

I'd dread it personally, I have everything planned years ahead of me so I don't need to think. But this also means I can't really help him.


I think you and your friend don't have a clue what "real" teachers have to do in terms of lesson planning. Being a "real" teacher, I have 4 different and unique classes everyday. I have to plan a lesson for each of these classes that is unique every single day. It is actual work, not like what most ESL instructors are looking forward to, or actually want to invest in their jobs. (And why should they, they aren't professional teachers.)

I find it funny that people who are not teachers are hired to do so and expected to know the skills involved...when were they to learn?

So what your friend should do is make a plan. Tell him to look up Understanding by Design or Backwards Design. This is a strategy where you look at the end game goal, and plan backwards to today in how you are going to get your students to reach that goal. He needs to make some fun activities and drills and combine it with goals that the students should be reaching. At the end of every lesson, he should be looking at "what did I intend for the students to learn today" and "what did the students learn today". Have your friend create learning outcomes, and that should make it easier in seeing how to accomplish unique lessons...

In terms of materials, there is a torrent out there with 3GB worth of ESL books...help him find it and have him use that as a resource tool for handouts, supplements and lesson ideas.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching university in China is quite easy. Most teachers split the class into groups and give them a topic to talk about. Then the teacher joins one group at at time and makes conversation.

Thats the basic oral english lesson with a large class in China.

I stood up the front and would get the class to see how long we could keep a conversation about nothing going. So the students got into talking to me about their weekends and common stuff in their lives. At first the class could do about 5 minutes before the conversation died but by the end of semester they could do 45 minutes. I made them all pay attention by asking questions anout what the last student had talked about.

I would tell them to all watch a movie and then we would discuss it in class with question on the board.

Dont push them during exam times. Let them study and the students that like english will come up and talk to you while theothers get ready for exams.

If you see the kids are really tired show them a movie and stop it a lot and ask questions to try to wake them up and stimulate conversation.

Eat with them or hang out on campus between lesson and be available for them just to feel free to chat with you.

I did a lot of exercises in class that was about bringing shy students to the front and doing stuff to open them up( like improv) and become less shy. Once students had got over being shy the English started to flow out of them.
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mc_jc



Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My questions to your friend are; how far ahead does he plan his lessons?
Did he assess the situation after he started teaching so he could come up with lessons and activities that could both educate his students and also keep them focused?
Does he go online and look for ideas and activities he could use in his classes and put them in his lesson plans?

When I was an ESL teacher in Korea back in the early 00's, I also didn't have any lesson plans or curriculum to follow. I had to come up with my own ideas as to what I wanted to teach my students. Most of the time, I was only given a textbook and thrown into a classroom and told to "go teach them"- that is the biggest problem with the ESL industry.

Does your friend know about warm-up exercises and how to review previous lessons? How about lesson reinforcement?

There is a lot your friend could do to make a 120-minute class.

But it all depends on;
- students' linguistic level
- How many students are in the class
- The school's expectations and curricular goals
- What the students need and what they want.
- What is their academic level- are they undergraduate or graduate students? (your friend could teach business presentation skills, interview communication drills, pronunciation/ intonation drills [I know Koreans and Chinese really wanted to 'brush up' on their accents]).

Has your friend made any kind of assessment?
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rollo



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look on line for ideas. There is a lot there. Having a good plan is what teaching is really about. Your friend will get better with this as time goes on. there ae certain little tricks tactics to teaching in China that you learn. If there are other foreign teachers at his school he should talk to them.
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So many unis in China, so easy to get work there, surely he could quit and just find a better job, especially as he is in-country which is how one finds good gigs there.
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Vagabundo



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what bugs me about China (have some interest in teaching there) is that it restricts YouTube and I find YT to be invaluable to me in Korea, both as an interest spark and often teaching material, or related teaching material.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys are really juicy when you want to be. Like apples. though most the time I find apples more trouble than they're worth.

I'm going to flood him with some of these ideas right now, and I am going to give them a look too.
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i played a lot of ppt games with them that i used before in korea.

This is unfortunate because there is no computer for powerpoint stuff in his room/hall/whatever.

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how often does he see the class?
This is what I find is so good it's possibly bad. He works about 1% the amount I do, with months and months of vacation, and his work week is something along the lines of... 6 hours on thursday, 2 on monday and 3 on friday - and then several hours of voluntary extra work for extra pay. (not exactly this but stupidly small hours) So I can imagine he doesn't see the students that much.

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chinese students are accustomed to singing,

My friend is the most tone-deaf person I know. He would consistently sing a minor 7th above what he is trying to sing, with a weak vibrato spanning across about 6 octaves. If anything they should teach HIM how to sing.

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Sir Pink - I think you and your friend don't have a clue what "real" teachers have to do in terms of lesson planning.

Well actually I feel I've learned a lot in my time here. I tend to get the books done and out the way quickly and use the free time to teach what I think they actually need to learn.

But, you are entirely right. for me, the contract stated my first week i would be taken away to learn the ropes on how to teach but... obviously that never happened. My week of observation was two days of watching one guy review (as in, silently do tests) and then I was thrown in with 8 very loud 7 year old girls who didn't know A from B.

I am sure he had even less than myself.

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Tell him to look up Understanding by Design or Backwards Design


This concept sounds great, I'll check it out and inform him too.

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DB - I would tell them to all watch a movie and then we would discuss it in class with question on the board.

Yeah I heard he has made them go and watch shows a few times to discuss, that seems like a good idea. Something I can't do, unfortunately.

I know he hangs out with them on occasion too. It must be cool teaching people of similar age range (18-23 is similar, right?)

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mc-jc - My questions to your friend are; how far ahead does he plan his lessons?


This I don't know, nor the answer to any of your questions, but I will find out. I'm starting to feel empowered as a superior to him.

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your friend could teach business presentation skills, interview communication drills, pronunciation/ intonation drills


These all sound good, I'm not sure how much of this he does but you seem to know what you're talking about.

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Look on line for ideas. There is a lot there.

I suggested this too, but he said he did and they're all terrible. They have proven very useful for me, but I teach much younger kids so I think it's more common to find around online.

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]surely he could quit and just find a better job,

I said this also, but he's not one to give up unless absolutely necessary.
I wonder if he can get through the whole year...

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what bugs me about China (have some interest in teaching there) is that it restricts YouTube


Yeah, even TURKEY have let loose and re-allowed YouTube. Come on China!

Thanks all. How many of you managed to read through all that...
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China has blocked all the big torrent sites now, too. The solution? Pay 60 American dollars a year for a VPN and then you can access all sites to your heart's content, and the speed is decent, too. This is a must-do for China I'd say.
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