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If you thought rooms in Korea were small, checkout NYC

 
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: If you thought rooms in Korea were small, checkout NYC Reply with quote

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/14/realestate/20101114_twentysomethings.html?ref=realestate

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ABE CAVIN QUEZADA, a 22-year-old aspiring music producer, lives with two roommates in a three-bedroom apartment in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. Mr. Cavin Quezada, who works as an unpaid intern at Electric Lady Studios in Greenwich Village, has kind words for his building, a renovated tenement near Marcus Garvey Boulevard, and for his apartment, for which he pays $500 a month and has a 10-by-6-foot bedroom.
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trogdor



Joined: 05 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They live in the middle of New York City. Rents there are nuts, but they probably make more money. Many people choose to live outside of bigger cities and commute, but time is money. Sometimes it's easier to live in a smaller space and walk to work, rather than take a train, bus, or whatever.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rented many such places over the years and only wore thrift store 2nd hand clothes. Some places had a kitchen and others didn't have a bathroom nor closet. Those tiny rooms in New York aren't any more expensive than what I found in other areas. Why rent one? Being one paycheck short of being homeless is unfortunately the reality in today's world regardless of education, skills, and brains. Any landlord charging $85 to $150 a week is ripping off the desperate and you should keep looking if offered that deal. $200 to $400 a month is more like it. Often with water and electric included. More often than not, there are far more older people in small places, but you can go live in a big house with roommates if you bring few or no valuables to be stolen.

I'm not 21 years old, but I'll go room up in NYC if I think there's a possible opportunity to get ahead out of being there. If you are single, you can pick any where you want to live in this fashion. It doesn't appear pay is all that high for your average wage earning jobs in NYC or anywhere else. $9 to $13 an hour is it regardless of education, skills, and brains of which range from retail sales to cubicle jobs to cooking to general labor. The idea was that you'd move up in the world after your 20's, but this market isn't producing much. I wonder how many people 30 to 90 years old are rooming up?
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mimi belle



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trogdor wrote:
They live in the middle of New York City. Rents there are nuts, but they probably make more money. Many people choose to live outside of bigger cities and commute, but time is money. Sometimes it's easier to live in a smaller space and walk to work, rather than take a train, bus, or whatever.


I would guess the people in that article are making entry level salary. Prob $20-$30k. Apartments are usually $1000+, even with a roommate.

@AsiaESLbound
There is no way you will pay $200-$400 a month. You can find an apartment share in your 30s but it's not always going to be comfortable. (Lack of privacy in a small space tends to bring out the worst in people.) You seem like you might be a sensitive person. If so, I doubt you'll like NY as much as you think. I would recommend a cheaper, friendlier city to start in if you're headed back to the US. NY has a lot to offer, but it's pricey.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mimi belle wrote:
trogdor wrote:
They live in the middle of New York City. Rents there are nuts, but they probably make more money. Many people choose to live outside of bigger cities and commute, but time is money. Sometimes it's easier to live in a smaller space and walk to work, rather than take a train, bus, or whatever.


I would guess the people in that article are making entry level salary. Prob $20-$30k. Apartments are usually $1000+, even with a roommate.

@AsiaESLbound
There is no way you will pay $200-$400 a month. You can find an apartment share in your 30s but it's not always going to be comfortable. (Lack of privacy in a small space tends to bring out the worst in people.) You seem like you might be a sensitive person. If so, I doubt you'll like NY as much as you think. I would recommend a cheaper, friendlier city to start in if you're headed back to the US. NY has a lot to offer, but it's pricey.


Yep, I like my own place and always hated cheap rooming houses. There is one on there paying only $325 a month for a tiny room so you can pay that if you look hard enough. While it wasn't in NYC, I rented several places ranging from $110 to $400 per month 5 and 10 years ago, but now $600 has become the new low for studio efficient units in the past 2 years with sleeping rooms (usually old motels) often going for $85 to $150 a week. Low cost individual housing is increasingly becoming harder to find all over America as old places left over the railroad days go defunct and few new options exist due to a lack of developments. When I was younger I used to think I'd enjoy NYC but now I don't think it's all it's cracked up to be unless you have a 6 figure income, an executive residential unit, and outgoing enough to be the life of the big money party on the Street. With a lot to offer such as a vibrant progressive top world class music, arts, and business scene, NYC is just ultra expensive, competitive, and unfriendly kind of place. I was shocked by the hardened cold mentality of locals such as restaurant people, but I quickly realized it takes nerves of steel and patience to live there on a working class income. It's like you don't go to Hollywood broke riding on hopes and big dreams without an acting career to take you there, but so many in fact are trying it. You have to pay to play in any case.
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The kinds of people with the desire to live in snuffbox for $800 a month because of the allure of "shopping", or whatever, are the kind of face-value sub-human people that I wouldn't ever even visit their rathole, ever. So what if you live on the Lower East Side? That doesn't make you interesting or a better person or something.

Also, the first guy is a slob.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 10x8 room living in Uiwang. New York has potential to be worse, but generally speaking isn't quite as bad, and you're just talking New York City. Here you find places like that an hour away from the city.
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trogdor



Joined: 05 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a sublet for a year that cost me $1,600 a month, utilities included. It was a decent studio without a roomate. Now, I made $17 an hour, which while not great was still decent for a recent grad, so factoring in not having to travel a minimum of 45 minutes to and from work each day like most of my coworkers, the extra $500 a month to live within walking distance of my office was well worth it.

(17x1.5[hrs]x20[days])=$510

Decent apartments in the outer boroughs cost about $900-$1100 a month anyway, even in so so areas, so it was easier to just bite the bullet and pay a bit more.

It was a nice sublet, too. I got lucky. That's why New Yorkers don't think it's rude asking how much you pay in rent. It's a cultural thing. Housing is religion there.

And what's wrong with wanting to be near shopping? How much do people pay on cars, fuel, and car insurance? City dwellers at least use mass transit more often or walk. If you can walk to the shops, you don't overbuy, and get fresher stuff more regularly. As for clothes, why do you care if some people like fashion? You'd rather they wear sweatpants from Sears?
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trogdor wrote:
Decent apartments in the outer boroughs cost about $900-$1100 a month anyway, even in so so areas, so it was easier to just bite the bullet and pay a bit more.


Rent actually decreased a bit after the financial crisis a couple years ago and has remained fairly flat since then. A friend has a studio on the UES, a block away from the 4-5-6 trains for $1k/month. It's a 4th story walk-up and shows its age, but it is liveable. A friend of a friend also has a (slightly larger) studio a couple blocks from Inwood Park for $1k/month.

Sadly rent in DC and SF is about the same as NYC too.
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find the hipster in these clips.
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tottenhamtaipeinick



Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a complete shithole in the Centre of Taipei for 3mths. At first I was so excited because it was on the most famous intersection for cool ppl and right behind the nightclubs!...Then reality kicked in that how do I invite anyone back to my shoebox 17th century room looking into the back of the some smelly restaurant! I felt like I had landed in the drug wars of Brazil.

Yeah you can live in these crap holes but the amount of money u have to spend to almost never be in them (hence you obviously only sleep there?) in the centre of big cities is far too much. I paid $12,000 NT a month or US$400. I ended up moving out of the centre of the hip place and rented a 3 bedroom massive apartment for $25,000 NT with a friend and loved it! and actually saved money, while still be 10mins away from the centre by subway......

oh and I could also invite ppl to drink at myplace as it wasnt embarrassing!
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thomas pars



Joined: 29 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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three-bedroom apartment in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn.


Whoa. 500 a month is actually pretty cheap for Brooklyn...but he lives in a pretty bad area.
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BaldTeacher



Joined: 02 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Find the hipster in these clips.


Most of them are stupid-ass hipsters. The biggest one was the guy who was thinking about drawing a window in his room. That would be so ironic. I bet he'll become the chief gaylord of the hipsters or whatever.
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