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LikeFrostOnRoads
Joined: 09 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:45 am Post subject: Director mistating salary with pension office |
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So a co-worker of mine is headed out at the end of the month and she's been trying to tie up all her financial odds and ends. Without any prior mention of the pension, today the manager (not director) interrupted her class, shoved a piece of paper in her face, said that this was the pension she was getting back and then pulled it away before she even had the chance to grasp the numbers on the page. She went on to tell the manager that she had already made an appointment with the pension office later today, and the manager became angry.
Well long story short, she finds out through the pension office that the school marked her salary as 1 million won, registered her 3 months late, and missed several payments since registering. So while she has paid her pension 12 times through deductions in her paycheck, the school has only forwarded that payment (along with their half) 7 times. On top of that, the payment has been much lower than it should've been. The payments of 45k work out to be about 2% of her salary as opposed to the required 4.5%. So, while she (and myself as well) has had to pay less per month, she is also getting shafted out of the school's contribution.
I'm afraid of the consequences of confronting the director about this especially since I've just extended my contract for another 3 months. I'm also not sure exactly what my co-worker should demand, or if it's even possible to get anything out the school that's owed. What do you think? |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:20 am Post subject: Re: Director mistating salary with pension office |
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| LikeFrostOnRoads wrote: |
So a co-worker of mine is headed out at the end of the month and she's been trying to tie up all her financial odds and ends. Without any prior mention of the pension, today the manager (not director) interrupted her class, shoved a piece of paper in her face, said that this was the pension she was getting back and then pulled it away before she even had the chance to grasp the numbers on the page. She went on to tell the manager that she had already made an appointment with the pension office later today, and the manager became angry.
Well long story short, she finds out through the pension office that the school marked her salary as 1 million won, registered her 3 months late, and missed several payments since registering. So while she has paid her pension 12 times through deductions in her paycheck, the school has only forwarded that payment (along with their half) 7 times. On top of that, the payment has been much lower than it should've been. The payments of 45k work out to be about 2% of her salary as opposed to the required 4.5%. So, while she (and myself as well) has had to pay less per month, she is also getting shafted out of the school's contribution.
I'm afraid of the consequences of confronting the director about this especially since I've just extended my contract for another 3 months. I'm also not sure exactly what my co-worker should demand, or if it's even possible to get anything out the school that's owed. What do you think? |
She can file a complaint with the pension office.
She will be required to show proof of income.
They will make her pay her unpaid premiums into the fund.
THEN they will go after the hakwon for the unpaid balance of their portion.
When that is all dealt with they will forward her money to her in her foreign bank account.
It won't happen fast (won't be a 30 day deposit like would normally happen) but it will get there eventually (3-6 months from now).
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OculisOrbis

Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: |
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And if your co-worker does what ttompatz says, the employer will also likely get fined, in addition to getting sorted for her actual income, for a lot more than what they thought they could save by lying to the pension office.
Just make sure that everyone makes the claim as a group or the employer could settle up with pension for one worker while cheating everyone else working at the hagwon - if you know any recent employees who no longer work there, contact and add them to the claim as well. |
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LikeFrostOnRoads
Joined: 09 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| I'm happy that there's an outlet for my co-worker (and myself) in this case, but I'm a bit concerned about the school's reaction to this complaint. While my co-worker may get out of here with the money she's owed, my other co-worker and I are stuck here for the next 3 months and I'm worried that if we file as a group, they will just fire the two of us at the last minute so they don't have to pay severance and plane ticket, making up the cost. |
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OculisOrbis

Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Well, you have three options.
1. Go to the pension office now and cower down to the employer's retaliation.
2. Go to the pension office now and fight the employer's (potential) retaliations with the labor board (should it be necessary).
3. Wait three months until you finish your contract and (potentially) get your severance and airfare (without having to go to the labor board), and then go the pension office to file a complaint.
Up to you. I would take Option 2 since a loss at pension doesnt leave them much choice. They would have no defense at labor board if they screwed with you in month 10-12 after already getting spanked by the pension office.
*EDIT: Sorry, I neglected to mention Option 4 because I would never consider it, but #4 is do nothing and let your employer take all your (and your coworkers') money with no chance of any consequences.* |
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sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| LikeFrostOnRoads wrote: |
| I'm happy that there's an outlet for my co-worker (and myself) in this case, but I'm a bit concerned about the school's reaction to this complaint. While my co-worker may get out of here with the money she's owed, my other co-worker and I are stuck here for the next 3 months and I'm worried that if we file as a group, they will just fire the two of us at the last minute so they don't have to pay severance and plane ticket, making up the cost. |
You should go to the pension office now and make sure you get the money you are owed. As for doing it as a group, that's up to you, but don't sit around waiting for others if they are chicken. There are many foreigners in Korea who let employers get away with anything. If you listen to them in bars they sound like "Superman" on Saturday night but when it comes to actually doing something like this on Monday morning, well, they chicken out. Be prepared to do this alone, if necessary. A couple months from now you'll be glad you did. |
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LikeFrostOnRoads
Joined: 09 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
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3. Wait three months until you finish your contract and (potentially) get your severance and airfare (without having to go to the labor board), and then go the pension office to file a complaint.
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This option seems a bit like the easy way out, but I wonder if my co-worker, who is leaving now, would be able to get her money back if she waited as well? Since she would owe money to the pension account (she would owe about 700k, and the school owes about 1.2m), how would this work?
| OculisOrbis wrote: |
They would have no defense at labor board if they screwed with you in month 10-12 after already getting spanked by the pension office.
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Actually I'm already past months 10-12, as I extended my contract for three months just a few weeks ago (kicking myself now). Would that be even more helpful?
| sojusucks wrote: |
| You should go to the pension office now and make sure you get the money you are owed. As for doing it as a group, that's up to you, but don't sit around waiting for others if they are chicken. There are many foreigners in Korea who let employers get away with anything. If you listen to them in bars they sound like "Superman" on Saturday night but when it comes to actually doing something like this on Monday morning, well, they chicken out. Be prepared to do this alone, if necessary. A couple months from now you'll be glad you did. |
The good news is that my other co-worker (the one who is also here for 3 more months) and I see pretty eye-to-eye on this. In fact I'd say he'd be a lot less inclined to be scared of the director than I am. I do feel a bit bad for the new guy who came just a week ago. But it is what it is.[/quote] |
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OculisOrbis

Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| By waiting until your contract is finished, you would hopefully receive your full severance and airfare before turning him in to face fines with the pension office. If you go to the pension office before your employment is completed, you are basically asking for some sort of vindictive retaliation from your employer. |
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