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[mollayo]

I'm trying to make a sentence for a worksheet.

Jessica goes to the same school as John and I.
Jessica goes to the same school as me and John.
Jessica goes to the same school as John and me.

Which one is more correct? My spoken English messed me up.

[Dan_84]

Yikes, that is a tricky one. One's spoken English isn't much help here...

I'm going to stick my neck out and say what I believe the correct answer is:

"Jessica goes to the same school as John and I."

The expanded sentence would be "Jessica goes to the same school as John and I go to." (dangling preposition notwithstanding). Based on that, I would say "John and I" is correct. It doesn't sound right, but I think it is... I'm not sure of the parts of speech at play here, so I can't really back up my assertions...

If anyone else can set us straight, please do!

[jangma]

Jessica goes to the same school as John and me.

Because if I said the sentence without John, I'd say "Jessica goes to the same school as me". I'm probably completely wrong

[jinks]

Take out "John" and you get
Jessica goes to the same school as me (or John and me)

Xposted with Jangma

[DosEquisXX]

[pikachun1]

Jessica goes to the same school as do John and I.

[murmanjake]

Pikachun that last one was off base.

If it were just "school" and not "same school" yours would make sense.

Jessica goes to school, as do John and I.

But then the meaning would be different from the OPs intended meaning.


I think Dosequis pretty much hit the head on the nail.

[RMNC]

It's the "Royal "I".

1 and 3 are both technically right, but in proper English it's always "____ and I".

When more than one subject is being grouped, then it always (in proper form) becomes "____ and I."

"and me" is used when listing yourself but not grouping, as in "My husband's favorite cooks are Paula Dean, Wolfgang Puck, and me." They're individuals within a list, not individuals within a group. Again, the "I" is a formality when speaking about yourself in a group, as an act of modesty.

Korean also has a similar version of this, though it's based more on the relationship between the grouped subjects, and not a blanket rule, like the English one is.

[aske]

There is no such thing as the "Royal I". In fact, that's contrary to the entire concept of the "Royal We".

It should be "...as John and I". Though people might frequently say "Jessica goes to the same school as me", it should technically be "Jessica goes to the same school as I [do]". John, Jim, Bob, Sally, or anyone else can be added to the sentence with no change in the grammar.

"Me" is used as an object (direct, indirect, and object of a preposition).

[Seon-bee]

Object pronoun, so the answer is "me."

You may change John to "him" as well, not he.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/page/145

[edwardcatflap]

Obviously they're all acceptable in spoken English but as far as strict grammatical theory, of the kind that Koreans love, goes, Dan 84 has the right answer

[aske]

[WadRUG'naDoo]

The I's have it.

[yoja]

Why on earth would you make a worksheet and include a question to which you, presumably the teacher, don't know the answer? Are you teaching at Harvard Mensa club and there is some urgent need for the students to know the correct wording to this exact question so they can be awarded "Top English Student in the Entire Universe"?

Change the question and/or the answer so that there is no ambiguity and no need for guesswork on anyone's part. Don't expect your students to correctly answer something that you yourself have trouble with. Don't try to explain something that you don't understand. Find a way to sidestep the issue altogether. It's best for everyone.

John, Jessica, and I go to the same school. John and Jessica go to Imbecile Community College, and so do I. We go to the same school. Jessica and John go to school, but I am too cool for school. Whatever. Just reword the whole thing.

[edwardcatflap]

Yes good point I didn't read the post carefully enough and assumed it was one of those over complicated Korean style tests. What grammar structure are you trying to test? if you're testing same + as, you should have a question like this

He has the same car as me
He has the same car with me
He has the same car to me

If you're testing subject v object pronouns you should have a test like this

He spoke to I
He spoke to me
He spoke to my

Keep it simple