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pangaea
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 Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject: Is anyone concerned about the upcoming military drill? |
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| I know there is a joint SK/US military drill planned for Sunday through Wednesday. I am not sure what to think about it. Will this be another event that antagonizes the north and leads to another attack? Will having US forces on an aircraft carrier be a deterrent? Just wondering if this is going to cause things to escalate. NK is willing to attack SK forces. Would they risk an attack on one of its allies? I know others are not worried about the recent attack, but I think a moderate amount of concern is smart and warranted under the circumstances. |
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MalFSU1
Joined: 27 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel the same way you do...just a tad bit unsure about the whole thing. If you try to express a bit of concern people just shrug it off, "Oh nothing bad could happen." Looking back historically crazier things have happened in the world. I think it's best to have some sort of plan in place(I'm not saying pack your bags and grab your guns) , but at least a bit of an idea of what you would do, and when you would considering leaving if things got really heated. Hopefully it will be a peaceful exercise! |
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hellofaniceguy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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These drills go on every year and nothing happens because of it..it's a dog and pony show for the military trying to impress the north.
If the north really wanted to start a war...they would bomb seoul and kill millions.
And obvioulsy the north would have the first strike and it would be deadly.
More to the point, the north would want to take out the military bases first for obvious reasons.
It's all propaganda..the north leaders want "their" people to think that their incoming leader is strong.
It's all show and yes, it's gets deadly at times.
But an all out war won't happen which is why the south has done nothing and will do nothing....they rather talk about it "diplomatically."
Through the years, the north has killed many SK folks....just this year alone...sank a ship and now the island issue...and the south still does nothing. South Korean presidents' talk tough but they are long on rhetoric and short on specifics.
On the other hand...the U.S. always backs up what it says and goes to war or starts some BS in some country. And history proves this. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| When will it stop? |
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MalFSU1
Joined: 27 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
These drills go on every year and nothing happens because of it..it's a dog and pony show for the military trying to impress the north.
If the north really wanted to start a war...they would bomb seoul and kill millions.
And obvioulsy the north would have the first strike and it would be deadly.
More to the point, the north would want to take out the military bases first for obvious reasons.
It's all propaganda..the north leaders want "their" people to think that their incoming leader is strong.
It's all show and yes, it's gets deadly at times.
But an all out war won't happen which is why the south has done nothing and will do nothing....they rather talk about it "diplomatically."
Through the years, the north has killed many SK folks....just this year alone...sank a ship and now the island issue...and the south still does nothing. South Korean presidents' talk tough but they are long on rhetoric and short on specifics.
On the other hand...the U.S. always backs up what it says and goes to war or starts some BS in some country. And history proves this. |
I don't understand the "nothing happens" part. The North said it fired on the island because of a drill..... I guess for the four people who died and those who lost theirs homes on Tuesday it was nothing. These blatent acts of agression have been happening more and more lately....when is the last straw going to break the camels back?!? |
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pangaea
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't understand the "nothing happens" part. The North said it fired on the island because of a drill..... I guess for the four people who died and those who lost theirs homes on Tuesday it was nothing. These blatent acts of agression have been happening more and more lately....when is the last straw going to break the camels back?!? |
Exactly. The north seems to be stepping up the aggression toward the south. That can't be ignored forever. My immediate concern is that the north will retaliate for the military drill that is supposed to start on Sunday. I hope for everyone's sake, that the north stays quiet, but I am worried about what might happen. I don't know if the US presence will act as a deterrent. I hope it does. I just don't see the US tolerating an attack on a US military vessel. If that were to happen, it would be an entirely new ball game. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| When will it stop? |
Who knows, according to this article.
In the late 1990s, (Kim Jong-il) initiated his Songun�or military-first�policy, in which the KPA was elevated to the highest position in the government. Under that policy, Kim Jong-il sprinkled his generals with Mercedes, missiles and nukes. Now, experts say the military has become so powerful that the Dear Leader no longer can rein in his generals. �The military-first policy has essentially reached its logical conclusion�that Kim Jong-il is no longer in a position to make the final policy decisions,� says Kenneth Quinones, a former U.S. negotiator and Korea expert.
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/25/north-korea-strike-may-have-been-premeditated.html |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| MalFSU1 wrote: |
| I don't understand the "nothing happens" part. The North said it fired on the island because of a drill..... I guess for the four people who died and those who lost theirs homes on Tuesday it was nothing. These blatent acts of agression have been happening more and more lately....when is the last straw going to break the camels back?!? |
Unless KJI and his ruling cronies wants their regime to fall, no full scale war will occur. For the last 30 years NK has had ample opportunities to ruin things for the south, especially during those international events, but strangely they don't really do anything 'bad' during those events.
Although I'm a tad bit curious as to how far SK will take their new found aggressive rhetoric and how NK will make it so they don't lose face. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Just to add to the hackneyed phrases used on this thread(straws and the backs of camels, ball games that are new), if the North attacks a US ship it will be an entirely different kettle of fish. Kim Jong Il may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, hell, maybe not even the brightest bulb in the box, but he would surely be a sandwich short of a picnic if he did anything provacative during the upcoming drill. As was mentioned, such an incident then would be a real game changer and KJI would really have to step up to the plate when faced with the US military. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| chellovek wrote: |
| Just to add to the hackneyed phrases used on this thread(straws and the backs of camels, ball games that are new), if the North attacks a US ship it will be an entirely different kettle of fish. Kim Jong Il may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, hell, maybe not even the brightest bulb in the box, but he would surely be a sandwich short of a picnic if he did anything provacative during the upcoming drill. As was mentioned, such an incident then would be a real game changer and KJI would really have to step up to the plate when faced with the US military. |
The Newsweek article I posted says perhaps stuff like the Yeonpyeong attack is no longer Kim's call, and that is what could be really scary. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| chellovek wrote: |
| Just to add to the hackneyed phrases used on this thread(straws and the backs of camels, ball games that are new), if the North attacks a US ship it will be an entirely different kettle of fish. Kim Jong Il may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, hell, maybe not even the brightest bulb in the box, but he would surely be a sandwich short of a picnic if he did anything provacative during the upcoming drill. As was mentioned, such an incident then would be a real game changer and KJI would really have to step up to the plate when faced with the US military. |
The Newsweek article I posted says perhaps stuff like the Yeonpyeong attack is no longer Kim's call, and that is what could be really scary. |
Yeah God knows what's going on and what these people really think.
Also see you're having troubles with multiple posts! |
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sublunari
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Half-seriously thinking of taking a short vacation in Japan---or wishing that I could.
Seriously thinking of stocking up on supplies. And, laughable as it may sound, my passport is with me at all times. That aircraft carrier is a sign that the American government is begging North Korea on its hands and knees to attack. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| That aircraft carrier is a sign that the American government is begging North Korea on its hands and knees to attack. |
No, it's not. This is standard procedure whenever the US wants to get someone to call the eff down. |
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balzor
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| sublunari wrote: |
| That aircraft carrier is a sign that the American government is begging North Korea on its hands and knees to attack. |
No, it's not. This is standard procedure whenever the US wants to get someone to call the eff down. |
Exactly, bringing a carrier group in is like dad pulling off his belt and giving you the choice to chill or get smashed |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| When will it stop? |
never. Even if it stops here it will start up somewhere else. |
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