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julian_w
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Milwaukiedave
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| That sounds like some Korean universities. I've been told by numerous sources that if you are admitted into a university you are guaranteed to graduate. I'm sure that isn't the case in all Korean universities, but quite a few are that way. |
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DorkothyParker
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| I don't know, if 20 of her 24 students failed, it's not impossible that indicates a failure on her part as well. I obviously can't know for sure, but she may not have taught as thoroughly as she thought or maybe there was a disconnect between the material presented in class and the questions on the test. |
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jzrossef
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| That sounds like some Korean universities. I've been told by numerous sources that if you are admitted into a university you are guaranteed to graduate. I'm sure that isn't the case in all Korean universities, but quite a few are that way. |
It works differently in Far East.
In western system, passing high school doesn't require a lot of work and effort and the school board (at least in Canada anyway) don't mind boosting the mark up for people in 40s to 50s and letting them pass. University, however, is a different story.
In Far East, the system is the opposite. High school is ridiculously difficult and time-consuming (if the students didn't sell their souls yet) to pass with amazing mark as the competition is incredibly ridiculous due to so many students trying to get into universities with good reputation. There are some rare exceptions... like being a celebrity idol or maybe you�re part of giant mega corporation (Possibly having ties with Communist Party might help in Chinese mainland... though I hear even that gets difficult nowadays due to growing number of party members... I guess it depends on the member�s rank) but the workload is often in par with the university level. Once they get to the university, their career fate is mostly sealed and they�re merely waiting for graduation day. (Again, there are some exceptions in elite universities and students going into universities overseas)
I�m not trying to justify the system here... just giving a bigger picture. (Shrug)
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| I don't know, if 20 of her 24 students failed, it's not impossible that indicates a failure on her part as well. I obviously can't know for sure, but she may not have taught as thoroughly as she thought or maybe there was a disconnect between the material presented in class and the questions on the test. |
Possible... media can be pretty misleading sometimes. Just don't be surprised to see that in mediocre universities in China... you'd be surprised. |
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Shapur
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| DorkothyParker wrote: |
| I don't know, if 20 of her 24 students failed, it's not impossible that indicates a failure on her part as well. I obviously can't know for sure, but she may not have taught as thoroughly as she thought or maybe there was a disconnect between the material presented in class and the questions on the test. |
You have a point.
The course was Accounting rather than English too.
That could either increase or decrease the teacher's level of responsibility depending on the English language ability of the students because she was supposed to teach them accounting - not English.
We just don't have enough info. I guess. |
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Shapur
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| jzrossef wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| That sounds like some Korean universities. I've been told by numerous sources that if you are admitted into a university you are guaranteed to graduate. I'm sure that isn't the case in all Korean universities, but quite a few are that way. |
It works differently in Far East.
In western system, passing high school doesn't require a lot of work and effort and the school board (at least in Canada anyway) don't mind boosting the mark up for people in 40s to 50s and letting them pass. University, however, is a different story.
In Far East, the system is the opposite. High school is ridiculously difficult and time-consuming (if the students didn't sell their souls yet) to pass with amazing mark as the competition is incredibly ridiculous due to so many students trying to get into universities with good reputation. There are some rare exceptions... like being a celebrity idol or maybe you�re part of giant mega corporation (Possibly having ties with Communist Party might help in Chinese mainland... though I hear even that gets difficult nowadays due to growing number of party members... I guess it depends on the member�s rank) but the workload is often in par with the university level. Once they get to the university, their career fate is mostly sealed and they�re merely waiting for graduation day. (Again, there are some exceptions in elite universities and students going into universities overseas)
I�m not trying to justify the system here... just giving a bigger picture. (Shrug)
| DorkothyParker wrote: |
| I don't know, if 20 of her 24 students failed, it's not impossible that indicates a failure on her part as well. I obviously can't know for sure, but she may not have taught as thoroughly as she thought or maybe there was a disconnect between the material presented in class and the questions on the test. |
Possible... media can be pretty misleading sometimes. Just don't be surprised to see that in mediocre universities in China... you'd be surprised. |
I understand what you mean and you've probably highlighted the key issue here.
The difference in expectation created by the hagwon director/owners who promised (lied to/exploited?  ) the students one thing based on their business needs and the cultural/immigration expectations of their students;
and the different expectations of the teacher who was following a completely different mindset.
I think the real problem is that the school owners and the teacher failed to reach a compromise that could mesh their differing expectations.
Poor communication and stubbornness from both parties me thinks. |
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