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Stalin84



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:13 pm    Post subject: Need help convincing family I'm not moving to a warzone. Reply with quote

I lived in Korea long enough to know not to take the Nork's actions seriously. I was there when they tested a nuke, when they fired missiles into the Pacific... I was there when the Cheonan was sank and numerous other "antics." Every time the Western media was quick to jump on the "brink of war" bandwagon, riling everyone in the West up more than South Koreans themselves were riled up.

I'm heading back to Korea in the end of December. Everyone in my rural town here in Canada has a son/daughter/cousin/relative teaching in South Korea and everyone seems to be on edge about the "upcoming conflict." The locals here have got my otherwise logical parents concerned. Someone saw me in the grocery store with my dad today and was exclaiming about how he was paying for his son's plane ticket out of Korea because it obviously "isn't safe to be there anymore."

I've used up all my arguments and my folks aren't budging. Of course I'm an adult so I'm going to be heading over whether they like it or not but I'd prefer that they weren't worrying so much about it. Apparently people in my family are even losing sleep.

Anyone have any good, rational, to-the-point, logical arguments I can wield the next time I'm confronted with this sillyness again? I've exhausted all that I could come up with but they're not buying it. They're convinced that I'm going to go to Seoul and get bombed, no question about it.

Any advice/reason would be appreciated.
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just show them this article. You are being protected by Korea's finest.


A string of fatal accidents in recent weeks has the Korean military scrambling.

The mishaps have been so frequent that there has been criticism over an apparent lack of military discipline.

Minister of National Defense Kim Tae-young apologized yesterday for the military accidents.

�Minister Kim expressed deep regret at a high-ranking meeting this morning and ordered each military branch to come up with substantial safety measures,� Defense Ministry spokesman Won Tae-jae said at a media briefing.

Won said the minister also ordered �ministry-initiated countermeasures� to prevent the recurrence of similar accidents.

Three Army soldiers died on Wednesday after a inflatable rubber raft carrying eight soldiers capsized in Yeoju, Gyeonggi, during a river-crossing exercise. One of the survivors was still unconscious and in critical condition, according to the ministry as of yesterday afternoon.

The ministry said the soldiers were all wearing life jackets at the time of the accident, the cause of which is still under investigation. The military also said on Wednesday that a 22-year-old soldier surnamed Lee was found dead in a restroom on a military base in Yeoncheon, Gyeonggi, around midnight on Tuesday with three bullets lodged his chest.

�A soldier ran to the scene when he heard the gunshots and performed emergency first-aid procedures on Lee to no avail,� said a military official.

Authorities think that Lee�s death could be a possible suicide but the exact cause of death won�t be disclosed until an autopsy is performed with the family�s consent.

Earlier on Tuesday, during a training exercise, an armored military vehicle another armored vehicle, causing the car in front to tumble 2 meters (6.56 feet) down a cliff off a road in Hongcheon, Gangwon. Two soldiers in the car that fell off the cliff are being treated for severe wounds. Two other soldiers in the first car were unhurt.

In addition, a 150-ton Navy patrol boat with 30 sailors aboard sank near Jeju Island on Nov. 11 after colliding with a commercial fishing vessel on its way back from a routine mission. One sailor died and two others are still missing as of yesterday.

The Navy is now working to pull the vessel from the ocean floor - about 120 meters in depth. Two pilots died the next day during a surveillance mission in a reconnaissance airplane, which crashed on a mountainside in Imsil, North Jeolla.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2928600

Be afraid, Be very Afraid!
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're an adult, if you really want to come, just come.
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Kurtz



Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: ples bilong me

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't listen to any "advice" from dave's peanut gallery. Everyone seems to think they're some kind of military expert with mind reading abilities. Next time I read "The north aren't going to do such as such is because...." I'll friggin scream.

Use your experience from living in Korea, read whatever informed commentary you can find from reputable newspapers and use your own reasoning why you should return to Korea with an unpredictable regime possible armed to the teeth on its doorstep.
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Vagabundo



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually, that is not what you need HELP with/for.

what you need is to grow a set/pair of balls to show them to the family, saying "Mom, Dad, these are my balls" and I'm an adult and I will go and live and do what I want to. Thanks.

you must be a product of the overprotected and cocooned Y generation. As an Xer I don't have such issues. I fought my independence wars with my parents at 18, while going to college. By 20 I did what I pleased.


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comm



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vagabundo wrote:
actually, that is not what you need HELP with/for.

what you need is to grow a set/pair of balls to show them to the family, while saying "these are my balls" and I'm an adult and I will go and live and do what I want to. Thanks.

you must be a product of the overprotected and cocooned Y generation. As an Xer I don't have such issues. I fought my independence wars with my parents at 18, while going to college. By 20 I did what I pleased.


The OP made it clear that he's going to do what he wants to do. He just cares about the emotional state of his parents more than you do, probably because they weren't overly controlling nujobs like your parents likely were.

Many "Gen Y" or "Millennials" have parents who DON'T want to be crazily overprotective like your parents seem to have been. Because of that, some of us respect our parents, their opinions and their concerns while still doing what we think is best.

The OP will do as he likes, but wants to break his parents out of miserable ignorance.
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T-dot



Joined: 16 May 2004
Location: bundang

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id first ask for permission to be allowed to be out past my bedtime.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help convincing family I'm not moving to a warzone. Reply with quote

Stalin84 wrote:
I lived in Korea long enough to know not to take the Nork's actions seriously. I was there when they tested a nuke, when they fired missiles into the Pacific... I was there when the Cheonan was sank and numerous other "antics." Every time the Western media was quick to jump on the "brink of war" bandwagon, riling everyone in the West up more than South Koreans themselves were riled up.

I'm heading back to Korea in the end of December. Everyone in my rural town here in Canada has a son/daughter/cousin/relative teaching in South Korea and everyone seems to be on edge about the "upcoming conflict." The locals here have got my otherwise logical parents concerned. Someone saw me in the grocery store with my dad today and was exclaiming about how he was paying for his son's plane ticket out of Korea because it obviously "isn't safe to be there anymore."

I've used up all my arguments and my folks aren't budging. Of course I'm an adult so I'm going to be heading over whether they like it or not but I'd prefer that they weren't worrying so much about it. Apparently people in my family are even losing sleep.

Anyone have any good, rational, to-the-point, logical arguments I can wield the next time I'm confronted with this sillyness again? I've exhausted all that I could come up with but they're not buying it. They're convinced that I'm going to go to Seoul and get bombed, no question about it.

Any advice/reason would be appreciated.


Simple- get a few Jane's books and ask them to describe the equipment that North Korea operates with- what it is, what its capabilities are, and how they work.

When they go "uh, uh, uhm..." that's the beginning of the end. From there on you can easily make the case that they haven't the foggiest of what they are talking about.
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Vagabundo



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

comm wrote:
Vagabundo wrote:
actually, that is not what you need HELP with/for.

what you need is to grow a set/pair of balls to show them to the family, while saying "these are my balls" and I'm an adult and I will go and live and do what I want to. Thanks.

you must be a product of the overprotected and cocooned Y generation. As an Xer I don't have such issues. I fought my independence wars with my parents at 18, while going to college. By 20 I did what I pleased.


The OP made it clear that he's going to do what he wants to do. He just cares about the emotional state of his parents more than you do, probably because they weren't overly controlling nujobs like your parents likely were.

Many "Gen Y" or "Millennials" have parents who DON'T want to be crazily overprotective like your parents seem to have been. Because of that, some of us respect our parents, their opinions and their concerns while still doing what we think is best.

The OP will do as he likes, but wants to break his parents out of miserable ignorance.



you're right, I didn't fully read the OP's post.
If that's the case...
there are many ways to calmly and logically display and explain the risks and why one is choosing to take them.. if your parents remain hysterical, then it's probably of little use.

I was amused by his line of "they aren't budging". Well good, then they can stay in their "non budged" state as the OP lives his life the way he wants to.

and don't make (very faulty) assumptions about mine. Apart from holding my ass to the fire on education/grades, they were completely non controlling.
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Stalin84



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is everyone on this thread assuming I'm a pathetic douche whose balls haven't dropped yet?

I want to spare my parents a bit of worry because I think they're overreacting to something. This doesn't mean I'm a complete wimp. I just don't like there being anxiety/conflict where there doesn't need to be and I'm going to Korea either way.

The lot of you try to brand yourself like you do what you want to do regardless of how it makes others feel. Silly internet posturing is all that is.


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Kurtz



Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: ples bilong me

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check your government's travel warnings, SK is still on the lowest level

http://www.voyage.gc.ca/countries_pays/report_rapport-eng.asp?id=153000

To add balance, my country's govt. has (Indonesia) Bali on the 2nd highest level which puts it as high risk.
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recessiontime



Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People in your town/city are concerned for your safety?

Tell them to put their money with their mouth is and get you a good stable job in Canada so you don't have to fly thousands of Km to work. That'll shut them up.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stalin84 wrote:
Why is everyone on this thread assuming I'm a pathetic douche whose balls haven't dropped yet?

I want to spare my parents a bit of worry because I think they're overreacting to something. This doesn't mean I'm a complete wimp. I just don't like there being anxiety/conflict where there doesn't need to be and I'm going to Korea either way.

The lot of you try to brand yourself like you do what you want to do regardless of how it makes others feel. Silly internet posturing is all that is.


Eh, I tend to see parental concern as something that you can't get around through rational argument. Just give them a list of incidents from the last 50 years and the fact that it's never escalated, explain that there's a bit of posturing involved due to the imminent change of leadership, and hope that they're understanding. From domestic politics/international relations angle, everything that's happening is well within the status quo. It seems like the people freaking out are those who only read the news when something blows up.
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Vagabundo



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stalin84 wrote:
Why is everyone on this thread assuming I'm a pathetic douche whose balls haven't dropped yet?

I want to spare my parents a bit of worry because I think they're overreacting to something. This doesn't mean I'm a complete wimp. I just don't like there being anxiety/conflict where there doesn't need to be and I'm going to Korea either way.

The lot of you try to brand yourself like you do what you want to do regardless of how it makes others feel. Silly internet posturing is all that is.


well I didn't read you OP fully so I'll apologize for my initial response.

bottom line is all you can really do is to calmly explain to your parents what you think the risk is, why you think the risk is reasonable (for you) and go from there. If they remain in hysterics and can't follow your logic and explanation(s), then at least you can honestly say you truly tried to lessen their paranoia.

nothing else can be done. Leave them to themselves in their sleepy small Canadian village feeling "fully protected" by the Americans.

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The lot of you try to brand yourself like you do what you want to do regardless of how it makes others feel. Silly internet posturing is all that is.


actually it's not. People that know me learned this lesson a long time ago.
how someone else "feels" about how I want to live my life and what I want to do with my life matters not a whit to me. (otherwise you'd be Korean (and potentially miserable inside)

my parents by virtue of being my parents (and my very few very close friends) will get a hearing and a fair consideration of their arguments before I reach an ultimate decision, but that's as far as anyone's "influence" and consideration reaches.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or you could be sneering.

"People like you who think I'm moving into a warzone are exactly the kind of sheeple I am looking forward to exploiting when I move to Korea and start privately teaching English."
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