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realbrownbear
Joined: 03 Sep 2009
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:49 am Post subject: 3rd year new job, 1st day hate it. What can I do? |
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Hello,
My girlfriend and I have moved to Seoul from Busan recently. We work for different companies.
When my girlfriend signed her contract it was written (and she was advised) that she would spend the first month writing materials and general editing and then would start teaching.
She has just finished her 'orientation' and found out that her first day of teaching will be tomorrow. Having lived in Korea we're heard and read our fair share of horror stories and we thought we would be savvy enough not to be in one.
Aside from the lack of editing the school seems tough; CCTV, no materials, lesson plans, parents have the ability to view a class anytime from the comfort of their home and 80min classes. Her co-workers seemed dreadfully unhappy - bar one who is leaving in four weeks.
It states in her contract that whilst editing for the first month she will be paid less (2m rather than 2.4m) and also will be working a different shift.
We're looking for a place to live and the school would be contributing 400k to it. Really we need to know contractual rights, how long it can take to rectify. Can she leave this job because of this 'editing and shift' infringement? And if so, can we get a release letter easily (obviously the company will be reluctant) down the 'legal route' if needed?
Is there anywhere we can seek legal advice or can anyone give me an idea on timescale - answers have differed on here.
If we sought new documents for the visa (as a US citizen I'm aware of the length of time for FBI checks) and we received them in three months. Then applied for a new job and was accepted three months from now. How does the E-2 work? Can we hand our notice in 30 days prior and then apply for a new job (considering they don't give the release letter)
I would appreciate the soonest reply.
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:02 am Post subject: Re: 3rd year new job, 1st day hate it. What can I do? |
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realbrownbear wrote: |
Hello,
My girlfriend and I have moved to Seoul from Busan recently. We work for different companies.
When my girlfriend signed her contract it was written (and she was advised) that she would spend the first month writing materials and general editing and then would start teaching.
She has just finished her 'orientation' and found out that her first day of teaching will be tomorrow. Having lived in Korea we're heard and read our fair share of horror stories and we thought we would be savvy enough not to be in one.
Aside from the lack of editing the school seems tough; CCTV, no materials, lesson plans, parents have the ability to view a class anytime from the comfort of their home and 80min classes. Her co-workers seemed dreadfully unhappy - bar one who is leaving in four weeks.
It states in her contract that whilst editing for the first month she will be paid less (2m rather than 2.4m) and also will be working a different shift.
We're looking for a place to live and the school would be contributing 400k to it. Really we need to know contractual rights, how long it can take to rectify. Can she leave this job because of this 'editing and shift' infringement? And if so, can we get a release letter easily (obviously the company will be reluctant) down the 'legal route' if needed?
Is there anywhere we can seek legal advice or can anyone give me an idea on timescale - answers have differed on here.
If we sought new documents for the visa (as a US citizen I'm aware of the length of time for FBI checks) and we received them in three months. Then applied for a new job and was accepted three months from now. How does the E-2 work? Can we hand our notice in 30 days prior and then apply for a new job (considering they don't give the release letter)
I would appreciate the soonest reply.
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and how many times have you seen warnings on here, "DON'T WORK FOR SLP">
Now to the logistics.
=You can't transfer your visa if under 6 months.
=You don't have any legal standing if under 6 months (under labor law you are considered to be a probationary employee).
=A LOR is meaningless since you can't transfer.
=Can you get rectification for the "changes in the job description/requirements = NO. There is no litigation for it (you're not in Kansas anymore) and the job matches the status of sojourn for your visa - they just eliminated one of the job duties for you.
Your best option is to order new documents now.
When YOU are ready, LEAVE Korea, hand in your ARC and tell the immigration officer that you have quit and are not returning to work as you leave (canceling your visa - have to be done that way since you are American and have a multi-entry visa)).
Return as a tourist.
Find your new job (or if you found one already) and submit your new documents for a new visa confirmation number.
Do your visa run to get your new visa (overnight trip to japan - no interview needed).
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realbrownbear
Joined: 03 Sep 2009
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:48 am Post subject: Thanks |
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Thanks for the advice ttompatz.
Really just unsure on some legal rights especially regarding contractual disputes. I heard that people have won legal battles for their won. You have just confirmed my suspicions.
For now my we're just going to see what happens, give it a couple of weeks and if things haven't improved we'll look at getting new docs.
Again thanks for your help and if anyone else has any different suggestions I would love to hear them.
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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No different suggestions. He is right.
Only new comment I would make is: don't wait around for improvements, they will not come. Go now or start preparing to make your move. |
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Epik_Teacher
Joined: 28 Apr 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Look at China and Viet Nam, find another job and run!!!!!!!! |
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Chet Wautlands

Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ttompatz, a South African friend of mine recently went to get a multiple entry visa at immigration in Seoul but was told that they are no longer required and that he was free to come and go as we wanted within lifespan of his visa. Have you heard anything about this? |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Chet Wautlands wrote: |
Ttompatz, a South African friend of mine recently went to get a multiple entry visa at immigration in Seoul but was told that they are no longer required and that he was free to come and go as we wanted within lifespan of his visa. Have you heard anything about this? |
The change was supposed to take effect on Dec. 15. Looks like they may be implementing it a few days early. Last month someone told me that they applied and received a re-entry permit but that it was now free.
IF he was nervous about it I would suggest a quit pit stop at the immigration office in the airport the day of the flight to confirm that a re-entry permit (free or otherwise) is no longer required to be entered into the passport.
It does mean that the ARC will be required for travel to show to the boarding agent abroad that you have residence privileges in Korea or they may refuse boarding.
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Epik_Teacher wrote: |
Look at China and Viet Nam, find another job and run!!!!!!!! |
This. |
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Chet Wautlands

Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote: |
It does mean that the ARC will be required for travel to show to the boarding agent abroad that you have residence privileges in Korea or they may refuse boarding. |
I'll make sure he knows this. Thank you once again. If I ever happen to meet you I'll buy you whatever sort of beverage you'd like. ha ha
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RMNC

Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Another shining endorsement for the "NEVER WORK AT SLP" attitude.
As TheUrbanMyth said, SLP stands for Slave Labor Program. Accept no substitutes. I'd take any other chain Hagwon over SLP, with the exception of Wonderland. |
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Epik_Teacher
Joined: 28 Apr 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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RMNC wrote: |
Another shining endorsement for the "NEVER WORK AT SLP" attitude.
As TheUrbanMyth said, SLP stands for Slave Labor Program. Accept no substitutes. I'd take any other chain Hagwon over SLP, with the exception of Wonderland. |
Have to add Kid's College to the list! |
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bharville
Joined: 07 Aug 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is SLP?
edit: nevermind, I did a search on it. |
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curlyhoward
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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People will still take jobs from such schools as SLP and Wonderland although being warned not to by people who well know the reputations of these schools and who have met victims of these schools.
Never work for SLP.  |
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realbrownbear
Joined: 03 Sep 2009
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: Recommedations for job search |
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With regard to job hunting whilst employed. For now we would obviously like to do it without the schools knowing, normally we would find work through word of mouth. Can we approach recruiters and be open about the current situation? Or would it be a case of approaching schools directly?
Is honesty the best approach in this circumstance?
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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realbrownbear wrote: |
Thanks for the advice ttompatz.
Really just unsure on some legal rights especially regarding contractual disputes. I heard that people have won legal battles for their won. You have just confirmed my suspicions.
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Yeah but with rare exceptions these tend to be AFTER six months when labor law kicks in and covers you. Also if the contract is substandard (less than what labor law states) you can get the labor board to order changes to those parts which do not conform to the KLSA (even under the six month period). |
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